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30 or 3000 euros let the user decide. What comes into a mind is the way
how Wikipedia is doing it i.e. you decide by yourself how much money you
want to donate. The best part is if you are in EU you can write off all
you have given from your taxes, and thus some people give 5 and some
500. In reality you then write this off and the end of the fiscal year.
Wikipedia is even sending you a an letter and the end of the fiscal year
in order to prof that you have donated X amount of euros. What I see as
a challenge it so make sure that those letters will be sent to the
people donated the money back to them since this is kind or a
requirement in EU. In such cases Wikipedia manages to gather 5 millions
in days, and that each year! What should NOT be done under any
circumstances is a payed version of Thunderbird or any other
advertisements shit since that will kill it.
@Alex "sales weeks" i really do not like that idea. This will not fly
especially not in Europe. Let first the user decide how much he is ready
to spend. I.e. build a web service that TB calls in the beginning of
the fiscal year that show how much money the project needs for example X
million per year (i.e. no advertisements) and show how much is already
gathered on every start of TB. In the moment the money a gathered then
close it and never show it again till the next year. Let us first see
how much can be gathered that way.
Plugin developers have a right to demand money for their work and this
does not have anything to do open source. This is work. I fully agree
with those opinions below. The thing is that as many commercial projects
there are around TB as greater the chance that one of them will support
back TB financially, or with code or with infrastructure or anything
else i.e. fixing bugs that help them get some new functionality etc.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Donations
From: Axel Grude <axel.grude at gmail.com>
To: tb-planning <tb-planning at mozilla.org>
Date: 05/01/2017 09:19 PM
>> *Subject:*Donations (was: My comment on Exchange Calendar as it
>> applies to financial issues of Thunderbird)
>> *From:*Ben Bucksch <ben.bucksch at beonex.com>
>> *Sent: *Monday, 01/05/2017 19:05:02 19:05 GMT ST +0100 [Week 18]
>> R Kent James wrote on 01.05.2017 16:40:
>>> Adding EWS as a "supported" protocol to core Thunderbird does not
>>> magically make the resources appear to maintain it. This particular
>>> addon, Exchange Calendar, is a really good example of the problems.
>>> The work required is substantial, a free-as-in-beer developer can
>>> enjoy working on it for awhile, but then there is the inevitable
>>> burnout followed by periods of poor support, which we seem to be in
>>> the third phase of now. Personally, I believe that something
>>> mission-critical like Thunderbird (and critical addons such as this
>>> one) deserve better than that if people are going to rely on them to
>>> get real work done.
>>> But this gets at the core of what people mean by "open source" and
>>> "free software". There is always that hope that there are lots of
>>> potentially motivated volunteers that could be attracted, if somehow
>>> we just do things better.
>>> Personally I don't believe in that, but I am in a minority - and I
>>> get plenty of flak for charging for ExQuilla. (Note I am the ExQuilla
>>> author as well as a member of the Thunderbird Council). The solution
>>> that I think makes sense is something like a non-profit user coop,
>>> where there would be enough benefits to the users to pay for
>>> membership, the code could continue open source, but somebody would
>>> be paid to keep the lights on. We're collecting substantial donations
>>> now, and that is helping alot, but not enough to imagine that EWS
>>> could be added to core Calendar and supported.
>> Hey Kent,
>> I agree that people who critically rely on a piece of software should
>> also be willing to pay a reasonable amount for it. Free Software
>> doesn't mean the work is done all by itself.
>> How about simply offering recurring donations on the donations page,
>> and explaining to users why we need that? It's not obvious to them why
>> the software needs maintenance just to keep the lights on. Once we
>> explain it in a way that they understand ('we fix security bugs, we
>> fix other bugs etc, and that takes several employees just to get that
>> done'), they might be willing to make recurring donations.
> I agree in principal. Let's look at the Patreon model
>> They should be in the area of $30/year or so. If 1 in 1000 of our
>> users does that, we have already significant progress.
> I think that is too much. Postbox has recently switched to a lifetime
> license (but only for version 5) for less. While I think that there are
> quite a few users who would accept this sort of payment I would bet you
> would also find many more supporting Thunderbird with10$ or 5$ / year.
> If there were different support levels like on Patreon (and we could
> debate on some perks such as blog notifications, downloads of debates,
> Youtube videos , workshops) it might be possible to pull of a more
> nuanced variety of monetisation.
> I think a monthly model with 1$, 2$ or 5$ levels might also make some
> sense, because it is more dependable in regards of hiring developers and
> a lower risk commitment on the part of the users.
> Another possibility would be something like sales weeks (e.g. black
> Friday, Holiday sales) where a cheaper "license" could be obtained.
> As one of the few Addon authors who monetises I would also be open to
> handing out vouchers for cheaper licenses to anyone who supports
> Thunderbird Core with a donation.
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