Menu Bar

Axel Grude axel.grude at
Wed Mar 22 14:23:48 UTC 2017

Dear Matt,

I never liked the hamburger menu much for Thunderbird much - but it saves space. I 
actually quite liked what Firefox did initially with the top left icon / menu so I 
combined both (also managing elevation of tabs) in a fully style-able Addon Menu On 
Top <> :

(the big label and remote port number are optional, and there are many icons to chose 
from) I think a choice of something like that integrated into the title bar as 
alternative to the hamburger menu would be nice...

As a bonus it also adds a simplified bookmarking system for anything relevant such as 
mail folders, emails, configuration tabs etc.

If I had a choice for just a single feature it would be document link integration 
(like Outlook). So we could have special folders which can point to different 
documents on my hard drive and use GLODA for finding stuff. Or integrate document 
links into the email tree.


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> *Subject:*Re: Outreach to end users
> *From:*Matt Harris < at> < at>
> *To:*Tb-planning
> *Sent: *Wednesday, 22/03/2017 10:48:27 10:48 GMT ST +0000 [Week 12]
> On 3/22/17 11:15 AM, Ben Bucksch wrote:
>> Juergen Fenn wrote on 21.03.2017 14:45:
>>> I think the most important point in terms of marketing should be to
>>> reassure both corporate and end users that Thunderbird still is alive
>>> and under active development and that it is worthwhile to deploy it and
>>> to build your workflow on TB for the time being.
>>> The main page of has not been pointing to Thunderbird for
>>> quite a while, and the announcement that Thunderbird would not be
>>> supported by Mozilla any more is still very much around, at least in
>>> this country. If this cannot be changed there should be a more prominent
>>> website or starting page for Thunderbird users.
>> Thanks, Jürgen. This is a good point, indeed. I am too close to the project to 
>> realize that this is the outside impression. We need to work on this.
>> Do you have some suggestions, other than a new website?
> Bring the decision about Thunderbird's financial and spiritual home to a 
> conclusion.  Nothing says we are going no where like that undecided after years.  
> That has to be an absolute priority! Our ability to run a server farm, a forked 
> version of AMO and to build Thunderbird on the Mozilla platform not withstanding. 
> Regardless of our future home all those things will have to be addressed.  No one is 
> going to be doing it for us.
> I would like to see us reaching out to our users with a path forward,  what is our 
> plan over the next 2 years?  Well it all hinges on what our home is does it not.
> But here are some of the oft requested features our users appear to expect and we do 
> not deliver;
>   * A multi line mail list.  Something like postbox, Outlook and Mac Mail have had
>     for a long time.
>   * Import and export of the Thunderbird profile natively.  (how 1985 is manual
>     copying of files and folders to a usb drive. These are people that compute with
>     their fingers, and expect wizards to hold their hands)
>   * Backup/Restore of mail
>   * Backup/Restore of address books
>   * Native support for card dav
>   * MailDir (it is almost complete but has gone no where in years really)
>   * Folder ordering (including a work / Personal delineation that extends to the
>     address book  so auto fill only looks for work addresses in work accounts.)
> When I first lobbed into a Thunderbird support site users were requesting all of 
> those features.  We delivered chat.
> Then I think we need to discuss the user interface option of no menu.  This applies 
> to Windows only.  Some say it is best to follow what Microsoft wants.  I say we 
> should be offering our users the choice as part of the installer.  We have dumbed 
> the process down so far that unless you know there are menus,  they can not find them.
> Firefox went with the three line hamburger menu on the toolbar, we did the same.  
> But in all seriousness,  this menu is simply confusing even to me.  To take this 
> recent discussion on user interface further.  A regular request in support is how to 
> add another account to Thunderbird.
> So then we have to start explaining to the user to click on the hamburger menu,  
> then click on the  >  beside the words "new message".  If you click the > you get an 
> even more confusingly labeled menu for "existing mail account".  Click that and it 
> will display a wizard to allow you to add your extra account.
> What can we do?  I do not think I am alone in thinking we simply go back to 
> displaying the menu bar.
> Matt
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