Sample Thunderbird UI redesign

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Fri Nov 18 17:39:44 UTC 2016

Kudos, I wouldn't say it better.
In addition to making icons and elements unnecessary bigger on desktop,
I also hate the low contrast trend (grey text on white background), no
visual separation between widgets (they are no longer buttons, but white
areas with not color between them) and no indication what is an  widget
(you don't know what you can click on, you just have to blindly try).
And Windows 10 takes this to new levels when it got dumbed down to
basically use 2 colors, think the new taskbar or the new control panel.

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Predmet: Re: Sample Thunderbird UI redesign
Od: Klaus Hartnegg <hartnegg at>
Pre: tb-planning at
Dátum: Fri, 18 Nov 2016 18:22:40 +0100

> Am 18.11.2016 um 17:04 schrieb Blake Winton:
>> And, as you imply, we don't hear from any of the people
>> who /aren't/ using Thunderbird because they feel it looks old and
>> outdated…
> Ok, I'll try to kill this trend once and for all. Not generally making
> the UI nicer, or making features easier to use, but the aspect of
> wasting desktop space:
> Since a few years we are seeing large players in the market applying two
> opposite strategies when it comes to desktop UI elements.
> One strategy is to keep the desktop UI more or less the same, and
> desktop UI strictly separate from mobile UI, by putting larger icons
> only on devices with touch screens. Because on touch screens the icons
> just have to be larger. That's for technical reasons: capacitive touch
> detection is not very precise. Much less precise than the older touch
> detection method, that was used before the iPhone.
> The opposite strategy is to give the desktop UI also larger elements. To
> make the desktop look less cramped, and similar to what people have
> become used to see on their smartphones. Because using the same UI on
> all devices is nicer ("modern") and easier than having to switch between
> two different UIs.
> Is it?
> The first strategy is the one that Apple has decided to apply.
> The second strategy is what Microsoft was following in Windows 8.
> The result was an epic desaster for Microsoft. It was so bad that today
> just hearing "tile" or "charms panel" makes blood pressure go up.
> The had to paddle back, completely redesign everything, and even skip a
> version number.
> But even with less tiles and no charms bar, Windows 10 still is in many
> places a mixture of desktop (small elements) and mobile UI (large
> elements).
> As result, Windows 7 keeps to be much more successful than versions 8
> and 10 combined. Even with growing market share for Windows 7. Whow!
> Microsoft got all that pain for putting the same UI elements into
> Windows 8, which they had designed for Windows Mobile. To make both look
> the same.
> Usually Microsoft does have the power to push into the market whatever
> they want, just by putting it inside Windows. Everything. Except larger
> UI elements on desktop computers.
> Once capacitive touch gets better resolution, it will become possible to
> shrink the UI elements on touch displays. My prediction is that they
> then will actually shrink. The future is small icons, not large ones.
> Copying large icons from smartphones to desktops, because it is
> 'modern', means going in the wrong direction. We do not have large icons
> on mobile phones because it looks great or is better to use, we have
> them purely for technical reasons.
> The Palm Treo keeps having the much better organizer functions than all
> todays smart phones. Because for example its calendar view can fit much
> more on one screen, eventhough the screen is smaller. And every item is
> precisely selectable. You cannot reproduce that much better UI on a
> capacitive touch display, because its display lacks the required touch
> precision. Todays smartphone users have no idea how much better a
> calender on a smartphone could be, if the screen did not have that
> technical limitation. Unfortunately capacitive touch is cheaper.
> Please don't touch the desktop.
> sincerely,
> Klaus Hartnegg
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