Donation -- how to tell - Details

Wayne Mery (Thunderbird QA) vseerror at
Mon May 16 14:24:39 UTC 2016

On 5/16/2016 10:11 AM, neandr wrote:
> Thanks James for the feedback.
> Maybe it's my misunderstanding about your words, but wording with 'flak'
> etc makes me nervous. I said "should *not* be shy" which isn't saying be
> aggressive.
> And yes, we have to find methods to make the "normal" users -- not you
> and me .. the tech oriented users, but users which do minimal changes to
> the initial Thunderbird layout  -- aware of the need to donate for
> Thunderbird.
> I agree with Klaus
>> /Behind a submenu item of a disabled menu? That's a waste of time. /
> .. also agree with your argument
>> /interrupting //someone's workflow depending on the design/
> Finally we need good reminders for *all* users -- always visible, not
> aggressive, non destructive, not interrupting the workflow. And yes we
> will have *always* complains with the one or the other method.
> So with some more courage here is my suggestion:
>     1.  Place a Thunderbird Donation logo on the Mail Tab bar as we have
>     the Lightning icons:
>     	/Here the TB icon needs to be replaced by a TB/Donation icon.
>     Tooltiptext is a must
>     (Thanks to Mark pointing to this)
>     /
>     2.  Add Donation menu items at places  like Hamburger, Menu Bar -->
>     Tools, etc  .. also it maybe hidden with normal use
>     3. With *any* TB update open a TB Tab to show a complete Donation
>     Page, *not only* the Start Page. That's because the Start page could
>     be set to show only a few lines. That Donation page should link also
>     to "What's New".
>     4.  On Thunderbird web pages (e.g. What's New, Help Topics, Notes, )
>     add a Donation note with one or two sentences about it and link to
>     the Donation page (maybe the same content as above, but shown as a
>     new tab on the browser)
> Also important: A method to unable the Donation links/pages? A clear:
> NO! To repeat getting money is a question of not /Dying virtuously! /

If you are intend this to also cover menu items - menu items don't 
impact user workflow, are not an intrusion and adding a "No" capability 
would add unnecessary code complexity. So I disagree with the suggestion 
to provide a disable capability - with one exception: if a  mail toolbar 
button is provided it is by definition removable

> And yes, we will get complains from users about this .. that's *always*
> the case .. they need to understand!
> Hope the council makes a clear decision, soon!
> Thanks
> Guenter
> On 16.05.2016 07:39, R Kent James wrote:
>> On 5/15/2016 9:06 AM, neandr wrote:
>>> And -- not /Dying virtuously --/ I would place the donation reminder
>>> at *all* those places.
>> Anyone who thinks about it agrees with you. Yet I still warn people
>> that we will get flak for aggressive donations campaigns, because it
>> will be much easier to deal with the flak and remain proud of our work
>> when it is anticipated.
>> Non-intrusive donation links at selected locations are not going to
>> generate flak. It is when the donation campaign is more aggressive,
>> potentially even interrupting someone's workflow depending on the
>> design, that the real complaints will begin. In an ideal world we
>> would never need to do that, but in an ideal world we would have
>> figured out ways to fund ourselves that do not intrude.
>> Firefox is a rare exception of being able to self-fund indirectly
>> through the very lucrative search business without seeming to intrude.
>> I have no brilliant ideas on a similarly lucrative scheme that will
>> work with Thunderbird, not does anyone else that I know of.
>> Thanks for supporting the still-future intrusive fundraising campaign!
>> :rkent
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