Do only 28 people care about the future of Thunderbird? Please vote!

Patrick Cloke patrick at
Thu Feb 25 19:31:57 UTC 2016


I haven't felt that the Council is trying to make Thunderbird an
enterprise email client. Not really sure where you got that idea.


On 2/25/16 1:37 PM, Jim wrote:
> For what it's worth, I intentionally chose not to vote because I have
> no real opinion one way or the other. It seems to me that my goals for
> Thunderbird differ pretty strongly from the Council (I don't really
> believe in making Thunderbird an enterprise mail client, whereas the
> Council seems much more open to the idea), but I don't feel that's
> enough to vote "No". I suppose I could send in a vote that explicitly
> says "No opinion", but I'm not sure that actually contributes in any
> real way.
> - Jim
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 11:47 AM, R Kent James <kent at
> <mailto:kent at>> wrote:
>     As of yesterday, according to Gerv only 28 people had cast a vote
>     in the ongoing process to confirm a reorganized Thunderbird
>     Council. That is a turnout of less than 15% of the people eligible
>     to vote, and that is too few.
>     I strongly encourage you to participate in this voting process.
>     I've copied Gerv's instructions below. You have less than two days
>     to do this!
>     :rkent
>     On 2/16/2016 4:24 AM, Gervase Markham wrote:
>         The following message gives the arrangements for the approval
>         vote for
>         the new Thunderbird Council.
>         Do NOT send votes to tb-planning.
>         Timing
>         ------
>         Voting opens at 00:00:01 UTC on Saturday 20th February. The
>         deadline
>         for sending votes is 23:59:59 UTC on Friday 26rd February, one
>         week later.
>         This may be delayed in the unlikely event that Mozilla IT
>         don't set up
>         the voting email address in time.
>         Motion
>         ------
>         Voters will be approving or rejecting the following motion:
>         "The Thunderbird community endorses the following list of
>         candidates to
>         form a Thunderbird Council and lead the project until either
>         a) one year
>         has elapsed from the date this motion passes, or b) an
>         organizational
>         home is chosen and a new governance model is put in place. A
>         condition
>         of approval is that, in the case of b), the new Council commits to
>         working in good faith with the new organizational home to
>         implement
>         governance arrangements which are acceptable to that
>         organization, in a
>         timely fashion. Or, if the organization has no governance
>         requirements,
>         the Council commits to consult on and implement a governance
>         reform process.
>         If vacancies arise on the Council during its period of office, the
>         Council may leave them unfilled, or fill them using a
>         mechanism of its
>         own choosing.
>         The list of candidates is:
>         Florian Quèze
>         Joshua Cranmer
>         Jörg Knobloch
>         Kent James
>         Magnus Melin
>         Matt Harris
>         Patrick Cloke
>         Philipp Kewisch
>         Wayne Mery"
>         Eligibility
>         -----------
>         Eligible voters are those who were subscribed to tb-planning
>         as of 27th
>         January 2016, or who are unsubscribed now but have posted to
>         the list in
>         2015 or 2016.
>         Voting Process
>         --------------
>         Voting will be by secret ballot. To vote, please send an email to:
>         thunderbird-vote at <mailto:thunderbird-vote at>
>         from the email address which is subscribed to
>         tb-planning at <mailto:tb-planning at>.
>         Votes must clearly indicate "Yes" or "No", in English. Unclear
>         votes
>         will be disregarded. The last clear vote from any voter before the
>         deadline will be the one accepted.
>         Submission email addresses will be checked against the tb-planning
>         subscriber list for an _exact_ (case-insensitive) match. If
>         you are
>         claiming eligibility based on previous interactions rather
>         than current
>         subscription, you must include a link to a Google Group
>         archived message
>         that you posted to the list (from the email address you are
>         voting with)
>         on or after 1st January 2015.
>         The scrutineers will examine the message to attempt to
>         determine the
>         sending date and time, but it is advised that you not vote
>         close to the
>         deadline. The last-dated clear vote from any address will be
>         counted.
>         Individual voters should not attempt to vote from more than one
>         subscribed address; anyone caught doing so will be publicly named.
>         Voters may choose, if they wish, to sign their votes using
>         email signing
>         technology.
>         Counting and Reporting
>         ----------------------
>         The email address above sends copies of the voting emails to the
>         scrutineers, Gervase Markham and Ben Bucksch, who has kindly
>         agreed to
>         serve in this capacity alongside me. Both scrutineers commit
>         to keeping
>         the votes confidential.
>         Once the deadline passes, the scrutineers will independently
>         count the
>         votes, and in case of a difference, reconcile the discrepancy
>         until they
>         are as agreed as possible. They will then report the result to the
>         tb-planning mailing list, giving:
>         * Number of Yes votes
>         * Number of No votes
>         * Number of votes discounted due to being unclear
>         * Number of votes discounted due to voter ineligibility
>         * Number of votes discounted due to being late or early
>         * Number of votes discounted because the two scrutineers could not
>            agree on a determination
>         The motion shall be considered passed if the number of Yes votes
>         strictly exceeds the number of No votes. If the number of
>         votes in the
>         final category listed above is equal to or greater than the
>         margin of
>         victory, the ballot shall be re-run.
>         Gerv
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