Example: Why I believe we need a new HTML editor
unicorn.consulting at gmail.com
Sat Feb 20 14:47:33 UTC 2016
On 20/02/2016 4:07 AM, Ben Bucksch wrote:
> Axel Grude wrote on 17.02.2016 01:55:
>> In our Company people often use colors for showing "quote level" (*)
>> - you may argue because Outlook is too stupid to show real quote levels.
> Exactly. Outlook cannot quote properly.
> Using color for something semantically critical - as who wrote what
> and what is part of the message what is not - is a really really bad idea.
> 1. red appears unreadable on my screen
> 2. people might be color-blind - particular red and green, because 5%
> of males are red-green color blind
> 3. it's not machine-readable. <blockquote> or plaintext "> " are,
> which allows nice recipient-side formatting, collapsing, trimming etc.
>> (*) one person may reply (inline) in red and then the next one in
>> green. One may say that this is "retarded" but we should not ignore
>> the way the ordinary user is going to use a tool.
> They do that only because Outlook gives them no other reasonable
> option. It's not what the users want, but what their tool enforces!
> Do not copy Outlook. Esp. in this area. We win hands-down in this
> area. I think TB quotes in our reader look lovely and clear.
> ***Please*** do not break or delude our excellent quoting. It's
> essential, all of the above.
>> we could build a really cool UI and better features than Outlook if
>> we embraced the concept of customizable styles
> Personally, I struggle with all editors, including LibreWriter and
> Outlook. They always seem to get it wrong by continuing a style that I
> intended only for 1 word or one paragraph, sometimes just by pasting,
> but it continues for the rest of the doc like that and I have to
> manually change it back. Highly annoying. TB composer does that much
> Consider that email is something we write more quickly than documents.
> The direction is rather to go even quicker, see SMS, WhatsApp, and
> GMail and Apple are emulating that for email with "quickresponse".
> That's not to say our Composer was perfect. But please don't copy the
> mistakes of other applications, where we are miles ahead.
The composer is terrible, users complain about it all the time. It was
ok a decade ago, but the last ten years have really put some age on it.
The users do not like it. They are particularly vociferous about the
size issue. They want numbers. Windows has numbers for font sizes, so
does everything in their experience except Thunderbird, and they want it
for their email. They do not care about standards, HTML Vs printing or
Interoperability. They do their correspondence in XXXX font and XX
size. And god help you if you tell them that the font they have chosen
is unlikely to be visible to the recipient, let alone that the size they
sat might look different as well
They want to be able to do pretty tables with pretty borders.
They want to do background images.
They want to paste tables and text from word and excel and have them
arrive looking like when they left the Microsoft product. (sans table
They want to specify line spacing and length.
They want to set tabular tabs and even decimal tabs
The want images to auto size and respect the orientation information in
the exif data. Lots of complaints about upside down images over the
years. The email looks fine on an iPhone or pad
In a nutshell they want a word processor that can turn their creations
The composer might do quotes and do them well, but we offer no
customization of that either. You have to have an add-on to change the
layout of the quoted header information to the more business styled
(outlook) four lines. While you might strongly disagree with coloured
quote levels, I like them, almost as much as I like Thunderbird's block
quoting with lines. But we offer no customization at all, after all it
is up to the user if they want to do something stupid with the
customization like white text on a white background, or try and retrieve
mail very minute.
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