The Case for Thunderbird in Mozilla

R Kent James kent at
Wed Sep 16 18:36:26 UTC 2015

I don't think it is fair to say that Mozilla tried to "block setting up 
Thunderbird as self governing entity inside or outside of Mozilla".

They have other priorities, which is their right. They have tried to do 
what is fair by Thunderbird users, in spite of the fact that Thunderbird 
does not fit into their vision of where they want software development 
to head. The volunteer community was slow to take command of the 
project, and actually until recently we have deliberately avoiding 
having this discussion about our role within Mozilla, because we did not 
have a good answer ourselves of what we wanted to be. We have still not 
finished articulating what we want to be or how we should get there (as 
JB pointed out to me in a private email responding to this thread. My 
recent post and discussion on email encryption was part of the process 
of developing consensus on where we should be headed.)

Brand image is really important to Mozilla, really it is their only hope 
long-term of competing with behemoths like Google Chrome, and now 
Microsoft Edge. Hence all of the discussion about "radical 
participation" as goals. Just as we are trying to get Mozilla to commit 
to us, a reasonable expectation of Mozilla is that we commit to them. If 
we remain firmly under the Mozilla umbrella, which I hope it is clear is 
my (and the Thunderbird Council's) belief of what is in the best 
interest of our users,  we also need to promote the Mozilla brand and 


On 9/16/2015 11:12 AM, Mihovil Stanić wrote:
> I don't think Mozilla did cancel support for TB because it doesn't go 
> along with Mozilla manifesto. They just didn't want to spend any more 
> money on it since Google deal was about to expire and they wanted all 
> aboard for Firefox and Firefox OS for which they planned to be next 
> cash cow.
> And that's all ok from business point of view, but not from volunteer 
> foundation point of view.
> But I didn't expect they will block setting up Thunderbird as self 
> governing entity inside of outside of Mozilla for this long.
> They really lost much of their value in my eyes and I'm only sticking 
> around as volunteer because I want to help Thunderbird community.

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