The Case for Thunderbird in Mozilla

R Kent James kent at
Wed Sep 16 16:33:28 UTC 2015

That's pretty powerful, from the President/CEO of Red Hat:

"*What one piece of Linux software do you depend upon? Why is it so 


    I use Thunderbird <> more
    than any other application—because I get a lot of email! I’m often
    on planes, and Thunderbird gives me offline access to my email,
    which is helpful when I’m in the sky and outside wireless range. I
    know people debate the merits of Thunderbird versus Evolution, but I
    started on Thunderbird and now I just default to it. I feel like
    Thunderbird lets me display more of my email at once, which is great
    for managing it all.

    I also use Chrome <> because it also
    makes working offline very easy. I use LibreOffice
    <> regularly. I even used it to write my

On 9/16/2015 9:05 AM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote:
> Hello,
> Just like to add that Jim Whitehurst's endoresement of Thunderbird here:
> Not sure if that helps, but he is pretty high profile.
> Wish I could help, but I am just an user with no development skills!
> Can't wait for a donation, or even bounty system, set up for
> Thunderbird.
> As an user, THANK YOU to all who has helped kept Thunderbird alive!
> On 16/09/2015, Patrick Cloke<patrick at>  wrote:
>> Joshua,
>> You've made some great points! (All of which I agree with and have been
>> unable to put as eloquently as you did.)
>> On 9/15/15 10:07 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
>>> On 9/15/2015 3:30 PM, R Kent James wrote:
>>>> What I would appreciate at this point are comments on what are the
>>>> reasons that Mozilla should accept Thunderbird as an official
>>>> project, presumably under the Mozilla Foundation, that provides us
>>>> with the structure that we need to succeed. Please help me make The
>>>> Case for Thunderbird in Mozilla.
>>> Thunderbird remains the largest open-source email project in
>>> existence, with a total userbase that is larger than some of the
>>> projects that Mozilla considers part of its core mission.
>> I think rkent has access to some of these numbers, we should cite that
>> here (i.e. we're not just making up numbers). Comparing directly to
>> other Mozilla projects might be a bit aggressive, however.
>>> This userbase size makes it uniquely positioned to champion the goals
>>> of the Open Web in the wider email and messaging standardization
>>> community, a factor which cannot be guaranteed for other, smaller
>>> projects within Mozilla's umbrella. A good recent example is that
>>> Thunderbird's objections to the SASL OAuth specification as
>>> then-proposed did result in a strong impetus for dynamic client
>>> registration, with Thunderbird cited as an explicit use case.
>> Do we have any newsgroup / mailing list / whatever threads to back up
>> this claim?
>>> It should be noted that the messaging world is at great risk of moving
>>> to closed, proprietary silos. Thunderbird's large userbase and ability
>>> to cooperate with the open alternatives in this area gives it more
>>> bargaining power to help pry open some of these silos.
>> Mozilla manifesto #6 (and maybe #2?).
>>> Finally, it is worth noting that Thunderbird is a popular program
>>> among the wider tech community, and many in that community believe the
>>> discontinuation of paid staff on the project to have been a mistake on
>>> the part of Mozilla.
>> Wasn't there a slew of articles written praising Thunderbird for v38?
>> Maybe linking to some of those might be good.
>> I don't have much else to add, besides reinforcing that the statements
>> being made are true for not just email, but instant messaging in
>> general. (Frankly, they're probably more true as Google and Facebook
>> continue to tighten their leash on IM and are slowly removing
>> interoperability with open protocols while refusing to even document
>> their new protocols.) The trend here brings me back to the 90s where
>> everyone was in a walled garden.
>> It could be interesting to take the 10 points of the Manifesto and show
>> how TB greatly contributes to all of them.
>> --Patrick
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