Re: Thunderbird and end-to-end email encryption – should this be a priority?

neandr neandr at
Wed Aug 26 14:24:33 UTC 2015

Hi Volker,

great to see you here and to read about the status of your project.

Let me add a link to the NZZ article about p≡p [1] ... (unfortunately) 
German speaking, maybe there are others as well, or the Indiegogo page 
for p≡p [2]



On 26.08.2015 14:03, Volker Birk wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm new on this list. My name is Volker, I'm from the project pretty
> Easy privacy, or in short pEp (p≡p).
> We're working on a solution for end-to-end crypto which is 100%
> peer-to-peer. We don't introduce new crypto, we're depending on GnuPG
> (on iOS on NetPGP, which we forked for that case), on OTR and on GnuNET.
> We're supporting S/MIME just for compatibility reasons, as well as plain
> PGP (also for compatibility reasons).
> The difference we make is that the user is not required to do anything
> anymore. She or he just writes a message. The rest is done fully
> automated, including key management, trust management and
> synchronization of trust, keys, addresses and calendar events between
> devices in a device group.
> All is done peer-to-peer, there is no cloud. We start encrypting E-Mail,
> and continue with XMPP, Facebook messages, SMS and some more. We'll also
> introduce our own messaging channel based on GnuNet.
> p≡p is itself 100% Free Software. We're supporting the message platforms
> in their sequence of numbers of users. And therefore for us Thunderbird
> is a strategic platform. We for sure will support Thunderbird in any way
> we can.
> Because we're downwards compatible to plain PGP – and even downwards
> compatible to unencrypted mail without any user interference needed, we
> have a plugin solution for messaging solutions of all kind. Our mission
> statement is to make all messaging solutions (E-Mail, instant messaging,
> SMS, etc.) capable of fully automated encryption.
> We're driving a litte undercover for a year now ;-) While that, we
> developed our first ready made solutions, which will be published on
> October 1st. There are solutions for iOS, Android and Microsoft Outlook.
> Additionally, we already have a deal with Kontact/Kolab. They will put
> our solution as default in their client software.
> You can find an English language lecture about p≡p here:
> German language videos you can find here:
> Our project status now is that we are close to first release. We found
> enough funding to do the whole job we announced, and are additionally
> capable to help other projects with funding. The first release will
> support PGP, S/MIME and p≡p for Email first. The code will be reviewed
> by SektionEins for not having backdoors or
> security issues before we offer it. We will publish the code review
> together with the first release, and each following release will be
> published having a code review, too.
> In our view, Enigmail earns a lot of trust, and we @p≡p are very
> thankful to this great project. The reason for this view is, that we're
> coming out of making crypto parties, and Thunderbird + Enigmail is the
> standard we all use there.
> Enigmail have lots of experience with integrating in Thunderbird. p≡p
> can add value here: we fully automate the processes, so there is no
> complicated key management any more needed for the users, and emails all
> are encrypted automatically whenever possible.
> So we want to try to cooperate with Enigmail here. I'm happy that we can
> talk soon. Let's see if we find a way to improve crypto support in
> Thunderbird in a fully automated way without complicated key management.
> Additionally, p≡p will add other messaging standards, because p≡p
> contains a message transport system, which can address way more than
> just email.
> A last “thank you” is needed here at the end:
> Thank you all for keeping Thunderbird up and running! Thunderbird is not
> only a great piece of software art, it's also a needed platform for
> millions of users to have – including all users who want to encrypt
> their messages. If we can support Thunderbird, we for sure will do!
> Yours,
> VB.
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