Donation link: Unable to reach consensus
kent at caspia.com
Thu Dec 19 23:38:05 UTC 2013
A week ago, I sent out the email below to 19 people who represented my
best estimate of formal Thunderbird project leadership, trying to reach
a consensus agreement on at least some of the issues we have been
discussing here concerning a donation link. Unfortunately, although I
received a number of positive responses and no outright negative
responses, I was unable to reach the standard that I set for declaring a
consensus. With the holiday break approaching, rather than leave this
proposal open indefinitely, I have tabled it until at least sometimes in
Feel free to comment on the proposal, particularly if you think I have
misrepresented what is the current consensus of comments here. This is
much less specific than my formal proposal, and was an attempt to find
the lowest common denominator of agreement to ensure enough backing that
I could gather additional information, and have discussions with Mozilla
No further progress will be made with this until I get some formal
backing from Thunderbird leadership.
I'd like to see if there is a consensus among the people responsible for
Thunderbird leadership that we should pursue donations with some sort of
in-product visible link, as we have been discussing on the tb-planning
You are receiving this email because you are either a module owner or
peer of a Thunderbird module per
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Modules/Thunderbird, or you are listed as a
member of the Thunderbird release drivers team at
As I discuss at
I am not sure what is the group that will need to make any significant
decisions involving Thunderbird, but given what is written officially I
feel that the combination of these groups is the best current
representation of the Thunderbird governing body.
While there are still a number of outstanding issues concerning how
donations would be solicited and used, my interpretation of the
discussions on tb-planning is that there is no significant opposition to
the concept that Thunderbird should attempt to raise funds through
donations in some manner. It will be easier to collect additional
information and plans for donations if we can come to a partial
agreement. Then we can better resolve remaining issues since we will
have more concrete information.
I would like us to agree that there is consensus on the following:
1) We would like for the Thunderbird project to begin raising funds
through some sort of method that is visible from within the product
itself. (Methods that have been discussed but not agreed yet include a
link on the start page, or an opened tab, and/or a button on the status
2) The funds raised would be directly available to the Thunderbird
project (unlike the current Firefox campaign which is directed toward
raising funds generally for the Mozilla Foundation).
3) Kent James may gather information and have discussions with relevant
Mozilla staff about possible methods for implementing this.
4) The list of people receiving this email have sufficient authority, as
a group, to agree on a consensus that represents the official position
of the Thunderbird Project and Community.
This leaves many issues open that will be discussed later, but allows us
to start making progress on this in various ways that do not depend on
final decisions on user interface, governance, or usage of funds. Also,
a consensus is only intended to reach agreement on issues that are not
likely to result in significant opposition. Point 4) in particular does
not ask you to agree that this group is the exactly correct official
body representing Thunderbird, but only to agree that the group is
sufficiently wide to ensure that there is significant official support,
and lack of significant opposition, to the points here.
Although you may of course discuss this further if you like, the intent
of this email is not to solicit further discussion of details, but to
simply get you to state your agreement or disagreement with the points
that have already been openly discussed on tb-planning. If there is the
need for further discussion, or there does not appear to be significant
support, then we should table this and continue the discussion. But if
necessary we could have some discussion here about the wording of the 4
points if you feel they are flawed but easily corrected.
I will define a "consensus" agreement to the four points proposed in
this email if I receive (using reply-to-all) a positive agreement from
at least half of the email recipients, no more than one opposing vote,
and no official objections from relevant Mozilla staff that we do not
have the standing to pursue this issue.
So can you reply-to-all and agree or disagree with the 4 points listed
R. Kent James
Redmond, Washington, USA
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