Donation Link: Formal Proposal

Walter L Schwartz schw01 at
Wed Dec 4 01:41:52 UTC 2013

I see that in the US English version, and if I could specify I want my 
donation to go toward Thunderbird, I would consider donating.

On 12/03/2013 12:58 PM, Onno Ekker wrote:
> If I add French to the top of my languages in Tools -> Options ->
> Content -> Languages and go to about:home I get to see that page in English?
> Mozilla, the maker of Firefox, is a non-profit and we rely on donations
> and grants. If everyone reading this gave $3, we would only have to
> fundraise 1 day a year. Donate today.
> Onno
> On 12/3/2013 4:50 PM, Eckard Berberich wrote:
>> Since a few days I noticed a message, right beyond the Google search
>> bar, in the Firefox homepage of the French Firefox version which is
>> asking for donations,:
>> "Mozilla est l'organisation à l'origine de Firefox et fonctionne grâce
>> aux dons. Si chacun d'entre vous donnait seulement 2€, nous pourrions
>> rendre le Web encore meilleur. Faites un don!"
>> The donation link leads to this page
>> <>
>> Personally I wouldn't be shocked by a similar message in the
>> Thunderbird start page, inviting to donate for the further development
>> of Thunderbird.
>> Le 03/12/13 12:43, Tanstaafl a écrit :
>>> On 2013-12-02 6:07 PM, Kent James <kent at> wrote:
>>>> We are asking the user to make a decision about donating each major
>>>> release. So I would agree that this proposal moves Thunderbird away
>>>> from
>>>> being "free as in beer" software to being "free as in freedom"
>>>> donationware. We need to think hard whether that is what we want.
>>>> Obviously my personal opinion is that we should move that direction.
>>>> Mitchell herself claimed to me that Mozilla does not want to subsidize
>>>> free software for businesses. Neither do I. I am not willing to donate
>>>> my time to the cause of free-as-in-beer software for businesses, and
>>>> because of that I think that Thunderbird should try to recover costs
>>>> from users in ways that still promote "free as in freedom". Donations
>>>> are one such option, and I do not think we should be ashamed to ask for
>>>> them. With freedom comes responsibility, and we are providing
>>>> structures
>>>> for our users to meet their responsibilities.
>>> This comment confuses me.
>>> Free software is free software. You cannot distinguish between
>>> 'subsidizing free software' for commercial and non commercial use...
>>> *all* use is free.
>>> Also - you seem to be saying that in order to combat (probably not the
>>> right word but couldn't think of a better one) your aversion to
>>> 'subsidizing free software for businesses', you are proposing a nag/beg
>>> screen to beg for money from NON-commercial (end) users. That makes no
>>> sense.
>>> If I was a developer, I would be *proud* if my work was so good that
>>> even large commercial enterprises wanted to use my software.
>>> This whole aversion to 'subsidizing free software for businesses' turns
>>> me off in a big way.
>>> If you (and other Mozillians) really feel this strongly, then the proper
>>> - imnsho - course should be to change the license to 'free for personal
>>> use', and charge for corporate/commercial use (note: I would be
>>> *strongly against* such a move).
>>> Of course, if you did that, you would then be in a position where you
>>> would *have* to listen to your (now paying) customers and implement
>>> features they wanted - or lose their business.
>>> Personally, I like the suggestions to add the Donationware information
>>> to the 'About' window/screen, and on the 'Welcome' screen that shows up
>>> for new major releases, I don't see this as being too intrusive, and
>>> corps can disable it easy enough (at least the welcome screen part).
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