Donation Link: Formal Proposal

Onno Ekker o.e.ekker at
Tue Dec 3 17:58:20 UTC 2013

If I add French to the top of my languages in Tools -> Options ->
Content -> Languages and go to about:home I get to see that page in English?

Mozilla, the maker of Firefox, is a non-profit and we rely on donations
and grants. If everyone reading this gave $3, we would only have to
fundraise 1 day a year. Donate today.


On 12/3/2013 4:50 PM, Eckard Berberich wrote:
> Since a few days I noticed a message, right beyond the Google search
> bar, in the Firefox homepage of the French Firefox version which is
> asking for donations,:
> "Mozilla est l'organisation à l'origine de Firefox et fonctionne grâce
> aux dons. Si chacun d'entre vous donnait seulement 2€, nous pourrions
> rendre le Web encore meilleur. Faites un don!"
> The donation link leads to this page
> <>
> Personally I wouldn't be shocked by a similar message in the
> Thunderbird start page, inviting to donate for the further development
> of Thunderbird.
> Le 03/12/13 12:43, Tanstaafl a écrit :
>> On 2013-12-02 6:07 PM, Kent James <kent at> wrote:
>>> We are asking the user to make a decision about donating each major
>>> release. So I would agree that this proposal moves Thunderbird away
>>> from
>>> being "free as in beer" software to being "free as in freedom"
>>> donationware. We need to think hard whether that is what we want.
>>> Obviously my personal opinion is that we should move that direction.
>>> Mitchell herself claimed to me that Mozilla does not want to subsidize
>>> free software for businesses. Neither do I. I am not willing to donate
>>> my time to the cause of free-as-in-beer software for businesses, and
>>> because of that I think that Thunderbird should try to recover costs
>>> from users in ways that still promote "free as in freedom". Donations
>>> are one such option, and I do not think we should be ashamed to ask for
>>> them. With freedom comes responsibility, and we are providing
>>> structures
>>> for our users to meet their responsibilities.
>> This comment confuses me.
>> Free software is free software. You cannot distinguish between
>> 'subsidizing free software' for commercial and non commercial use...
>> *all* use is free.
>> Also - you seem to be saying that in order to combat (probably not the
>> right word but couldn't think of a better one) your aversion to
>> 'subsidizing free software for businesses', you are proposing a nag/beg
>> screen to beg for money from NON-commercial (end) users. That makes no
>> sense.
>> If I was a developer, I would be *proud* if my work was so good that
>> even large commercial enterprises wanted to use my software.
>> This whole aversion to 'subsidizing free software for businesses' turns
>> me off in a big way.
>> If you (and other Mozillians) really feel this strongly, then the proper
>> - imnsho - course should be to change the license to 'free for personal
>> use', and charge for corporate/commercial use (note: I would be
>> *strongly against* such a move).
>> Of course, if you did that, you would then be in a position where you
>> would *have* to listen to your (now paying) customers and implement
>> features they wanted - or lose their business.
>> Personally, I like the suggestions to add the Donationware information
>> to the 'About' window/screen, and on the 'Welcome' screen that shows up
>> for new major releases, I don't see this as being too intrusive, and
>> corps can disable it easy enough (at least the welcome screen part).
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