About :skinning the title bar - Re: Fwd: Mozilla Add-ons: Walnut for Thunderbird 2.0.8 Fully Reviewed

Mike Conley mconley at mozilla.com
Thu Sep 27 14:38:42 UTC 2012

Axel / Alfred,

Hey - I just wanted to know if you've tried toggling the 
"mail.tabs.drawInTitlebar" pref.

This is a preference we put in that overrides the drawing-in-titlebar 

Does this help your situation?


On 26/09/2012 12:56 PM, Axel wrote:
> Hi Alfred,
> if it is okay with you _/I am cc-ing the Thunderbird planning list/_, as
> this is an interesting edge case in innovation, which might give me some
> idea on how to get THunderbird (and Firefox) to behave more in line with
> other applications in Windows XP. As you know I am normally not using
> the Luna style of Windows XP but instead I am using Stardock's
> Windowblinds engine, which paints over all widgets and title bars /
> window frames, to add such niceties as
>   * complete user defined styles (Mac OS under windows or linux styles
>     are no problem)
>   * per pixel coloring
>   * transparency
>   * shadows
>   * the largest collection of user style for any operating system
> What I would like to point out to the tb-planning list is that the
> latest changes in Thunderbird 17 (and the following versions) which are
> also in line with the changes around Australis for Firefox (moving up
> the menu to overlap into the caption bar) present some problems for
> Software that takes over skinning the windows (especially the title bar).
> Your solution of underpinning the menu with a bright area works lovely
> for all stock color flavors of XP Luna (blue, silver and olive) so you
> have solved that one problem, with your latest update of :
>> Could you try if this works?
>> If it works ok, I can then also update the Little/MicroBird themes in
>> the same way.
> Yes, this is perfect on Windows XP (TB17):
> It also still looks /spiffing gorgeous /on my Windowblinds with
> Thunderbird /*16 */(remember that Windowblinds painst over the title-bar):
> Of course, with */Thunderbird 17/*, I will eventually have the following
> problem on my production windows system:
> Stock theme:
> Nautipolis 2.0.8:
> Here, with Menu bar visible, the menu is completely obscured by the
> title bar ( I know this can be viewed as a bug by Windowblinds, but on
> the other hand it makes my Windows experience so much more cohesive)
> Interestingly, when I task switch away and then back to THunderbird I am
> getting this effect (which is quite a good compromise as it leaves the
> skinning of the caption bar background intact, but replaces the windows
> max / minimize / restore widgets):
> ... which is probably closer to the effect that you would have on
> Windows XP with Luna (Vanilla). The bige question is, is there anything
> that we can do (maybe with a CSS rule?) to "force the caption bar
> widgets into the foreground"? Or failing this, is there something I can
> do  (maybe by adding a box overlay) to push the menu down to its
> original position again so that Thunderbird behaves more in line with
> all my other XP applications? This would be an interesting question...
> Ideally I would like to come up with an additional extension that could
>   * hide the minimize / maximize / close widgets for Firefox /
>     Thunderbird, so the user can choose to keep the ones painted by the
>     OS / skinning engine
>   * either  - move down the menu so it is in its original position
>     or - force the menu items "into the foreground" (which is probably
>     the more difficult solution as some of the Z-Order from skinning
>     engines might be out of our control)
> One thing I would like the Thunderbird crew to  think about is that
> "painting into the titlebar" is not necessarily something we should take
> for granted, at least in the standard paradigm, any painting should be
> done in the client area. So IMHO skinning the whole application should
> ideally be configurable / optional from within the xul applications,
> ideally with a global about:config switch.
> thanks
>    Axel
>> Axel wrote:
>>> HI Alfred,
>>>> Thanks for the quick reviews!
>>>> Could you send me a screenshot of the problem?
>>>> I am not able to reproduce it in Windows 7 using the Windows Classic
>>>> theme (which should have the same effect).
> <schnipp>
> --
> *Axel Grude* [T]
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> QuickPasswords, Zombie Keys, SmartTemplate4)
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