TB End Users survey - do not distribute
axel.grude at googlemail.com
Fri Jul 20 15:43:56 UTC 2012
*To: *"Tanstaafl"<tanstaafl at libertytrek.org>
*From: *"Patrick Cloke"<clokep at gmail.com>
*CC: *"tb-planning" tb-planning at mozilla.org
*Sent: *Friday, 20/07/12 15:53:39 15:53 GMT +0100 [Week 29]
*Subject:*Re: TB End Users survey - do not distribute
> On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl at libertytrek.org
> <mailto:tanstaafl at libertytrek.org>> wrote:
> On 2012-07-20 5:30 AM, Gervase Markham <gerv at mozilla.org
> <mailto:gerv at mozilla.org>> wrote:
> It seems to me that the evidence is that IM/social integration is not
> a heavily-desired feature, and people have trouble understanding what
> that might even mean. Is that a fair conclusion from the data?
> That doesn't mean people shouldn't do it, necessarily, but it does
> mean that it would need careful defining of use cases and explanation
> of benefits.
> I would love to be able to initiate an IM session *with my preferred IM client*
> directly from Thunderbird
> This is generally capable by using link / protocol handlers. Most IM protocols have
> some URI scheme associated with them. Thunderbird could attempt to open links with
> these with the OS and if your IM client supports them (and properly registers with
> the OS), I think this should work OK.
> - and maybe even have Thunderbird be able to reflect a Contacts status by
> monitoring my preferred IM client that is running in the background. This would
> most likely require the Address Book rewrite that has been planned for so long.
> Why reinvent the wheel? It would make more sense to spend a lot less dev hours
> on just figuring out a way to 'integrate' with the most popular IM clients (and
> do it in a plug-in type fashion so that other users could write extensions to
> support other IM clients if they wanted to).
> This would also require the IM client to provide this information in some way. I
> highly doubt that any IM clients do this (except maybe Telepathy) support this. I
> suppose you could make a plug-in for both the IM client and for Thunderbird, but
> honestly that sounds like a lot more work to me. Additionally, this would only be
> reasonable for clients with some sort of plug-in infrastructure that can get
> presence information. It's also pretty difficult to find out which clients are
> "popular" (you can't get information on this like you can for browsers as most
> networks are proprietary). There are a few papers floating around that I or Florian
> have come across about which networks / protocols are most popular; but not
> necessarily what clients are popular.
I think the OP meant just to */fire up/* the IM client, without any further
integration, that could probably be added "/fairly/" easily. (You would still have to
look at command line / URI parameters of each client to figure our how to pass
addressee info) However it wouldn't give you added perks such as online status of your
> Also, if the numbers in that PDF are to be believed...Skype is the most popular and
> they're not much fun to integrate with. :)
But probably also most rewarding as they support voice as their main medium; I think
this would be a good project for an Add-on, not for core. Why not ask the Skype
developers to write one?
> "reinvent the wheel" seems pretty strong too, are the protocol code is shared with
> Instantbird (and was first developed for, and is supported by Instantbird developers
> as well as Thunderbird developers). The UI was mostly uplifted initially from
> Instantbird and tweaked to fit into Thunderbird. It isn't like huge sections of
> code are being written from scratch here.
I liked what I am seeing so far... lets create a lightweight modeless window (or
alternatively a dockable vertical pane, defaulted to right hand side of the mail3pane)
similar to the usual clients (narrow) and push the content of the chats into that; I
think it is a mistake to restrict chat contents to a tab, as it wastes too much
> About IM in email clients in general...I agree with Vincent that I find it extremely
> beneficial for work. It's less intrusive than calling, but more immediate than
> email. Having the presence information is nice if you want to walk down to
> someone's office, although opening up the actual contact list shows that as well.
Contact list of /*what*/? Is Thunderbird supporting presence already? Or are you
talking about the other IM clients?
> I find that the combination of Microsoft Outlook + Lync (Office Communicator) is
> /far/ superior to Thunderbird (+ any instant messaging client).
+1 as well.
> Support for initiating phone calls or IMs directly from an email is clutch, as well
> as fully integration of free/busy from the calendar (and also integrated with
> presence information). Ironically, this is probably an area that Thunderbird could
> choose to be innovative in.
+1 from me.
And you could potentially later on /"bolt on"/ screen sharing, which is a hugely
expanding market. Has anybody of you guys tried teamViewer
<http://www.teamviewer.com/en/index.aspx>? It's the fastest that I have tried so far...
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