Papercuts remixed (was Re: What's the status of papercuts?)

Wayne Mery (d531) vseerror at Lehigh.EDU
Mon Jul 16 13:46:26 UTC 2012


On 7/13/2012 12:22 PM, Wayne Mery wrote:
>
> Quoting Chris Ilias <tb-planning at ilias.ca>:
>
>> On 12-07-10 11:37 PM, Kent James wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2012 10:49 PM, Chris Ilias wrote:
>>>> In late March, Blake sent an email listing UX priorities, including
>>>> papercuts. If I do a search for TB and mailnews core bugs with
>>>> [UXprio] that are fixed since March 24, I only get one bug (508776).
>>>> Has there been any priority given to those bugs?
>>> I've often been concerned about the lack of attention within Thunderbird
>>> to long-standing bugs myself, and that also seems to be the source of a
>>> lot of the negative energy that sometimes surrounds the project. But
>>> honestly, I don't have a good feel for how important that is. I do know
>>> that some individuals have a lot of passion and frustration around
>>> certain unfixed bugs, and can generate a lot of negative energy over
>>> that issue.
>>>
>>> But let me propose an idea. What if we were to make a list of
>>> well-recognized bugs (not enhancements) in Thunderbird, and make that
>>> the focus of an initial effort for the developer community that is
>>> starting to gel around Thunderbird? That would go against the
>>> conventional wisdom of course that developers are mostly interested in
>>> jazzy new features, but perhaps being different could start to build
>>> some positive energy. I could imagine trying to develop a list of a
>>> certain number of bugs (not enhancements), and set the goal of fixing
>>> them all in some period of time.
>>>
>>> So as an example, we could develop a list of 100 Thunderbird bugs that
>>> at least 3 people are willing to vouch for (with a limited number of
>>> vouchers per person, and perhaps some vetting by a benevolent dictator),
>>> and recruit a group of community developers to tackle those in a year.
>>>
>>> Count me in, if other people are also willing to be involved.
>>
>> Thanks for responding. :)
>>
>> One of the reasons I asked about it, is because we already have a list
>> that Blake asked for feedback on in March. I only mentioned one bug,
>> because that was the only one fixed since then. For a list of
>> unresolved [UXprio] bugs, see:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;status_whiteboard=[UXprio];resolution=---
>>
>>
>> I now see there's also a [ux-papercut] whiteboard tag, so this list
>> could also do:
>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr;status_whiteboard=[ux-papercut];resolution=---
>>
>>
>> I also thought [gs] bugs could be used, but there are well over 200
>> bugs on that list.
>
> There are, and have been, many ways to categorize bugs/problems.
>
> Not mentioned yet in recent conversation but very important IMO is
> getsatisfaction, which has a wealth of information including a number
> for "this affects me", and number of people following:
> - https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/ideas/popular
> - https://getsatisfaction.com/mozilla_messaging/problems/common
> (Some topics are matched to bug reports. Many are not.)
>
> Back to your point - there is a litany of past and current notations in
> bugzilla relevant to the current discussion.  Some are listed below.
> Please post if I've missed any.  We can build on these experiences of
> these items.
>
> Whiteboard [1]:
>
> [good first bug]
> [student project]
> [uxprio]
> [*papercut]
> [b3ux]
> [delight]
> [mentor=*]
>
> Flags (from most recently instituted to oldest) :
> * indicates used by developers for release management
>
> *blocking-thunderbirdX[?|-|+]
> wanted-thunderbird[?|-|+]
> wanted-thunderbird3[?|-|+]
> *blocking-thunderbird3[?|-|+]
> *blocking-thunderbird2[?|-|+]
>
> wanted-thunderbird [2] is closest to what is being attempted now with
> papercuts. Arguably, the same thing.  anyone in buzilla could nominate
> wanted-thunderbird, and then someone triaged them.
>
> wanted-thunderbird3 [3] came earlier iirc, and was used inform what
> features were wnated for thunderbird3.
>
> wanted-thunderbird and -thunderbird3 possibly didn't scale well due to
> the number of nominations and an inability to determine to level of
> interest or impact in the user community.
>
> I think of UXPRIO whiteboard as an uber form of wanted-thunderbird3, but
> driven UX dev vision.
>
>
>
> [1] whiteboard -
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring;field0-0-0=short_desc;type0-0-1=substring;field0-0-1=keywords;type1-0-1=allwordssubstr;resolution=---;classification=Client%20Software;classification=Components;status_whiteboard_type=anywordssubstr;query_format=advanced;status_whiteboard=prio%20ux%20delight%20wanted%20student%20first%20mentor;type0-0-0=anywordssubstr;field1-0-0=short_desc;product=MailNews%20Core;product=Thunderbird;field1-0-1=short_desc;list_id=3695119
>
>
> [2] wanted-thunderbird+ -
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring;list_id=3695361;field0-0-0=flagtypes.name;type0-0-1=substring;field0-0-1=keywords;type1-0-1=allwordssubstr;resolution=---;classification=Client%20Software;classification=Components;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=wanted-thunderbird%2B;field1-0-0=short_desc;product=MailNews%20Core;product=Thunderbird;field1-0-1=short_desc
>
>
> [3] wanted-thunderbird3+
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring;list_id=3685466;field0-0-0=flagtypes.name;type0-0-1=equals;type1-0-1=allwordssubstr;resolution=---;classification=Client%20Software;classification=Components;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=wanted-thunderbird%2B%20;field1-0-0=short_desc;type0-0-2=equals;product=MailNews%20Core;product=Thunderbird;field1-0-1=short_desc

above query for [3] is incorrect. Should be 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring;field0-0-0=flagtypes.name;type0-0-1=equals;type1-0-1=allwordssubstr;resolution=---;classification=Client%20Software;classification=Components;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=wanted-thunderbird3%2B%20;field1-0-0=short_desc;type0-0-2=equals;product=MailNews%20Core;product=Thunderbird;field1-0-1=short_desc;list_id=3725563


> [4] wanted-thunderbird3?
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?type1-0-0=substring;list_id=3685563;field0-0-0=flagtypes.name;type1-0-1=allwordssubstr;resolution=---;classification=Client%20Software;classification=Components;query_format=advanced;type0-0-0=equals;value0-0-0=wanted-thunderbird3%3F;field1-0-0=short_desc;product=MailNews%20Core;product=Thunderbird;field1-0-1=short_desc




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