Papercuts remixed (was Re: What's the status of papercuts?)

Mike Conley mconley at
Thu Jul 12 14:31:10 UTC 2012

Mozmill is where I do most of my testing. I'd be happy to lend a hand.


On 12/07/2012 10:23 AM, Kent James wrote:
> On 7/12/2012 1:20 AM, Axel Grude wrote:
>> From my own experience (At least in Windows) setting up for bug
>> writing and getting a basic understanding of git and python are some
>> of the major obstacles for somebody trying to enter that world, I
>> think we have to still work on making that a lot easier in order to
>> pull in more people towards core.
> While I would agree that there is a substantial learning curve toward
> getting involved in Mozilla development, I would not describe "git (hg?)
> and python" as the main obstacles.
> Testing is certainly an obstacle. As a mostly backend developer, I've
> never written (or even run) a Mozmill test - but I live in
> xpcshell-tests most of the time. Still, the way that you accomplish
> things during testing is often quite different than the way you do it in
> the main program, so getting started there is a barrier.
> There is also, particularly in the C++ world, a unique Mozilla language
> to learn. Peculiar Mozilla constructs (which are now practically native
> to me), like
> nsCOMPtr<nsIMsgIMAPFolder> imapFolder(do_QueryInterface(folder));
> take quite a bit of time to learn.
> But new people do get started somehow. I think that most more
> experienced developers also are willing to assist people that are
> learning. The code base is so vast that we are all learning something
> new all of the time anyway. That is part of the skill of doing large
> project development, to be able to pick up new areas quickly.
> So I think you should go for it, Axel!
> rkent
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