axel.grude at googlemail.com
Mon Jul 9 11:54:38 UTC 2012
> On 09.07.2012 12:57, Axel wrote:
>> *Privacy: *the argument is tricky as email is necessarily server based
> The transfer, yes. Storage, no. For a data thief (whoever it may be, big or small),
> it makes a huge difference whether he can access only current mail or all mail from
> the last 5 years. All the hacked MSN accounts from friends that are spamming me are
> just the most visible proof of that.
but if you are using IMAP, one of the advantages of that is the server storage. right?
>> But generally webmail does not allow backing up to local storage (and cleaning up
>> on the server without loosing data) so IMO that is the biggest drawback.
> That's what I meant with integrity and verification, yes.
>>> If everybody has webmail, there's not even a reason for the ISP to offer IMAP or
>> there is a trend with ISPs not to offer SMTP servers anymore
> Oh? I don't know about that, we have SMTP servers for all the big ISPs in the world
> in our ISP database. Which ISPs are you thinking of?
my latest mobile broadband supplier (meteor.ie a daughter of eircom) has discontinued
and in fact shut down any and all mail servers (they do not supply mail addresses
anymore) - I believe they reckon mail is dead, *"if you want email you can get that
from google."* I remember a few discussions with their (absymally bad) support team,
some of them didn't even know what a mail server is, let alone smtp.
So I had to switch to google for smtp relaying, which was messing with my "from"
headers for a while.
It might be an exception but as it is a real cost saver for ISPs in terms of support I
am afraid they are setting the trend here. (In case you are wondering why I use mobile
broadband, our land lines are simply not good enough for DSL on the Irish countryside)
> I'm just surprised that this is already starting, but this is fairly sure to happen
> once desktop email clients are going down in popularity. Once this happens, we're in
> big trouble. To access mail from my mobile, I'll have to install the app from the
> provider (while currently I can use the email application), and Facebook is showing
> right now what the results of that will be: Self-service for data shopping,
> outrageous privacy violations, and people can only watch and complain, but not do
Yep - I think the only safe way forward might be commercial email: a paid service,
guaranteed to be private and advertisement free.
> (FWIW, Microsoft is pushing their own cloud services, too, so we can't depend on
Well with outlook for the corporate sector it is slightly different as there are
privately owned Exchange Servers.
>> For an average user it is actually hard to find free SMTP alternatives.
> If it's free and open to everybody, spammers will jump at it.
that's why I am so pissed off with meteor and their decision to drop support for that
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