Too much glass…

Jim squibblyflabbetydoo at
Thu Jun 30 18:33:45 UTC 2011

On 06/30/2011 01:27 PM, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> On 06/28/2011 08:08 PM, Blake Winton wrote:
>> The first pair of ideas is to set the default toolbar format to
>> text-beside and small icons, and to hide the menu, as per Firefox, IE,
>> Windows Finder, and others.  That would look something like this (with
>> 79 pixels of glass high):
> Wow, I'm really surprised this wasn't the default already. I guess I
> should run TB with a fresh profiles more often.

A fresh profile would show the text beside the icons. The problem is 
that if you click "Restore Default Set" in the toolbar customization 
dialog, it resets to text below icons. The fix (which I have a patch 
for[1]) is just to add defaultlabelalign="end" to the various toolboxes.

> This sounds like a really easy fix and can be done rather quickly. I had
> a bit mixed feeling about the hiding of the menu. This because my
> impression was that the apps that hide their menubar was designed to
> work without menus and adding the menu back were for the
> I-want-it-like-I-always-had-it-since-win95-crowd and that Thunderbird
> wasn't one of those.

In Windows Explorer (not IE, mind you), I've found a bunch of things 
that can only be accessed with the old-school menu bar. That said, maybe 
we should leave the menubar on by default but allow people to hide it 
until we have a Firefox-style button.

That's dependent on us getting a heat-map of the most-used menu items, 
but now that Test Pilot for Thunderbird is coming along, that should be 
doable in the near future.

> I agree with hiding the tabs by default. It makes more sense in Firefox
> as that is more tab focused and allows you to add new empty tabs on the
> fly. As long as we can figure out where to put the filter bar (obvious
> place is main toolbar) it should be all right.

If we do this, I think we should ensure that there's a UI to change the 
tab bar behavior. I believe we already have a pref to control this, so 
we'd just need to build a UI to set the pref. We could either do it in 
the Preferences dialog like Firefox, or make it a "toolbar" that you can 
show and hide from the View > Toolbars menu (or when you right-click on 
the main toolbar). Personally, I'd opt for the latter, as I think it 
makes more sense to put options near the UI that they modify rather than 
hiding them in a prefs window somewhere.

- Jim


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