Too much glass…

Jb Piacentino jb at mozilla.com
Wed Jun 29 16:01:33 UTC 2011


with the missing picture:

On 29/06/2011 16:13, Jb Piacentino wrote:
> I've tried (with my limited Gimp skills) to picture a layout I'd defend.
>
>
>
> As Blake indicated, I'd suggest we address the too-much glass solely 
> by reducing the glass real estate and limiting it to the window title 
> and border. I understand this can be done really quickly (next release 
> or +1) and responds to the expressed grievances.
>
> I would favor this option vs saving height by hiding the menu bar for 
> the following reasons:
>
> - I'm not sure we should hide the menu just for the sake of having a 
> better looking Aero rendering. Adhering to Windows UI principles is of 
> course not bad per say, but it seems to me that should open a new 
> conversation on this topic, and not tackle it from a too-much-glass angle
> - Along those lines, users might be confused (initially, or maybe for 
> a longer time) with the now-gone menu. Again, I'm not sure an 
> aesthetic issue should, all by itself, motivate a significant UI change.
> - Add-on compatibility seems to be is a subject of its own and needs 
> to be considered carefully
>
> I think we could have a discussion on reducing the height of the 
> menu+toolbar+tabbar, but again in a broader UI conversation (Windows 
> specific or not).
>
> Jb
>
> On 28/06/2011 20:08, Blake Winton wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>>
>> one of the things that has been pointed out to me recently as 
>> not-really-pretty is that Thunderbird shows too much glass in its 
>> Windows 7 Aero theme.  Currently, it looks like this (114 pixels of 
>> glass high):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In the longer-term, I think this will be mitigated by moving to tabs 
>> on top, and putting the toolbar into the tabs, but that doesn't help 
>> us in the short-to-medium term.
>>
>> So I've come up with a few things that I think we can do while we're 
>> waiting for the big change.
>>
>>
>> The first pair of ideas is to set the default toolbar format to 
>> text-beside and small icons, and to hide the menu, as per Firefox, 
>> IE, Windows Finder, and others.  That would look something like this 
>> (with 79 pixels of glass high):
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This seems better, but I think we could do more.  I'm hoping that we 
>> can get all the way to (54 pixels of glass high):
>>
>>
>>
>> But that could cause problems with extensions that put their buttons 
>> in the tab bar.  I've spoken with Philipp about having Lightning move 
>> its buttons up to the toolbar, and he's happy to make that change, 
>> but there are a few other extensions that I know about that use the 
>> same area.
>>
>> An alternative proposed by JB was to make the toolbar non-glass, and 
>> leave glass only for the titlebar and borders.  I'm not a huge fan of 
>> that, because I like the glass look (just not so much of it), but 
>> it's definitely worth considering.
>>
>> So, my proposal is to set the toolbar format and hide the menu for TB 
>> 6, and look into auto-hiding the tab bar for TB7, with the plan of 
>> backing it out if it causes problems.
>>
>> I would appreciate any comments from add-on authors who are using the 
>> tab bar area on how this would affect them positively or negatively, 
>> as well as comments from anyone on other quick-and-easy options to 
>> make the glass area less distracting while we wait for the 
>> tabs-on-top to land.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Blake.
>> -- 
>> Blake Winton    Thunderbird User Experience Lead
>> bwinton at mozilla.com
>>
>>
>>
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