Too much glass…

Jonathan Protzenko jonathan.protzenko at
Tue Jun 28 19:59:49 UTC 2011

So Jim was faster =). What I suggest is we don't hide the tabbar by 
default if some extensions have inserted any items in the tab toolbar. 
This should actually be fairly easy to detect.


On Tue 28 Jun 2011 12:56:10 PM PDT, Jonathan Protzenko wrote:
> Hi Blake,
> I'm running webtabs + rss dashboard, and both these addons use the tab 
> toolbar to add their icons, as it really makes sense to have just 
> favicons there. Squib and I were talking about possibly making this area 
> customizable, with the possibility of putting any button from the main 
> toolbar there, just like in Firefox. Another suggestion I read is to 
> actually allow the user to remove the main toolbar for small screens, 
> and move the global search field at the right of the tabbar (currently 
> you lose the global search if you hide the main toolbar).
> This is all a little bit confused, but what I meant to say is there 
> might be more options besides just getting rid of the tab toolbar by 
> default.
> jonathan
> On Tue 28 Jun 2011 11:08:57 AM PDT, Blake Winton wrote:
>> Hey everyone,
>> one of the things that has been pointed out to me recently as 
>> not-really-pretty is that Thunderbird shows too much glass in its 
>> Windows 7 Aero theme. Currently, it looks like this (114 pixels of 
>> glass high):
>> In the longer-term, I think this will be mitigated by moving to tabs 
>> on top, and putting the toolbar into the tabs, but that doesn't help 
>> us in the short-to-medium term.
>> So I've come up with a few things that I think we can do while we're 
>> waiting for the big change.
>> The first pair of ideas is to set the default toolbar format to 
>> text-beside and small icons, and to hide the menu, as per Firefox, IE, 
>> Windows Finder, and others. That would look something like this (with 
>> 79 pixels of glass high):
>> This seems better, but I think we could do more. I'm hoping that we 
>> can get all the way to (54 pixels of glass high):
>> But that could cause problems with extensions that put their buttons 
>> in the tab bar. I've spoken with Philipp about having Lightning move 
>> its buttons up to the toolbar, and he's happy to make that change, but 
>> there are a few other extensions that I know about that use the same 
>> area.
>> An alternative proposed by JB was to make the toolbar non-glass, and 
>> leave glass only for the titlebar and borders. I'm not a huge fan of 
>> that, because I like the glass look (just not so much of it), but it's 
>> definitely worth considering.
>> So, my proposal is to set the toolbar format and hide the menu for TB 
>> 6, and look into auto-hiding the tab bar for TB7, with the plan of 
>> backing it out if it causes problems.
>> I would appreciate any comments from add-on authors who are using the 
>> tab bar area on how this would affect them positively or negatively, 
>> as well as comments from anyone on other quick-and-easy options to 
>> make the glass area less distracting while we wait for the tabs-on-top 
>> to land.
>> Thanks,
>> Blake.
>> -- 
>> Blake Winton Thunderbird User Experience Lead
>> bwinton at
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