The purpose of tb-planning.

Jonathan Protzenko jonathan.protzenko at gmail.com
Thu Jun 2 13:00:00 UTC 2011


Hi,

Don't forget https://wiki.mozilla.org/Thunderbird/CommunicationChannels 
which I wrote specifically to keep track of all our communication channels.

jonathan

On 06/02/2011 05:25 AM, Jeff Grossman wrote:
> On 6/1/2011 7:00 PM, Blake Winton wrote:
>> On 11-06-01 21:21 , Jeff Grossman wrote:
>>> On 6/1/2011 6:01 PM, Blake Winton wrote:
>>>> I agree, and I think we should keep the "we decided X" posts off this
>>>> forum, because there isn't much useful conversation we can have about
>>>> them. (On the other hand, the "we're planning X" threads I've read
>>>> have been very helpful, and I would like to see more of them.)
>>> I understand they aren't necessarily helping move us forward, but I
>>> think the communication channel needs to continue with the 
>>> community. If
>>> you decide to stop accepting posts because they are not moving us
>>> forward how is this information going to get out to the community? If
>>> you stop this flow of information you are only hurting the community.
>> We have a number of other communication channels that I think you 
>> will want to follow, if you want to get the flow of information. 
>> http://planet.mozillamessaging.com/ and the weekly agendas you 
>> mention below seem like the places we should put decisions we make 
>> for which discussion wouldn't be as useful. There's also the 
>> mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird newsgroup, but I don't think that's as 
>> useful for this kind of thing.
>>
>> I'll let Roland mention some places where we welcome feedback. ;)
> Wow, do you think I could have put the word community in there anymore 
> times? Sorry about that.
>
> I always forget about http://planet.mozillamessaging.com. Personally, 
> I prefer e-mail to all other forms of communication. Newsgroups would 
> be my second choice. But, I agree, I do not think 
> mozilla.dev.apps.thunderbird would be a very good choice.
>
>>>> For the version number thread, I haven't seen a lot of responses which
>>>> are helping us get work done. (And to be clear, I regret approving the
>>>> posts which agree with the decision, too, since they don't help us
>>>> move forward either.) Out of the 21 posts, I could only find a couple
>>>> of constructive ones, and that's not a great ratio…
>>> Like I said, it is a good communication channel. I have not seen any
>>> other Thunderbird communication channel about what is going on. Reading
>>> the weekly agendas really doesn't help much. There is not much detail
>>> there.
>> That is definitely something we should work on, then. Do you have any 
>> suggestions of other places you would want to check? Along those 
>> lines, what do you think about a read-only tb-announce list, where we 
>> don't plan or discuss things, but instead post about decisions that 
>> have been made (either by the tb-planning list, or the drivers, or 
>> forced on us by other projects)?
> A tb-announce list that I am able to get via e-mail would be a 
> suitable option for me. I think you will get a few different opinions 
> about that, which makes it hard. Some people like e-mail (myself 
> included), some like newsgroups, and some like web pages.
>
> I will think of some suggestions and let you know. Like I said before, 
> I just don't think the meeting agendas or planet.mozillamessaging.com 
> are either updated frequently enough or with enough substance. I will 
> try to do a better job of following planet.mozillamessaging.com to 
> keep up with current Thunderbird activities.
>
>>> I understand the Thunderbird developers are short-staffed and
>>> overworked, but don't remove the one avenue where I think most
>>> communication is happening.
>>
>> I don't want to remove any avenues, but instead open up new places so 
>> that we can discuss the things that need discussion, while still 
>> letting people know about the things that have already been decided 
>> without having everyone waste their time and energy debating them.
>>
>> If you have other ideas on how we can accomplish that, I would love 
>> to discuss them with you here. :)
> I am in complete agreement with you. Let's open up new avenues of 
> discussion where a discussion needs to take place. Otherwise, let's 
> have a steady flow of information from the Thunderbird developers 
> about the direction of the project.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Blake.
>
> Blake thank you for your time.
>
> Jeff
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