Bug 80713, Gecko politics

Jonathan Protzenko jonathan.protzenko at gmail.com
Mon Jul 4 06:09:05 UTC 2011


Hi folks,

Bug 80713 is about having seamless iframes. Seamless iframes are iframes 
which don't scroll, i.e. they have exactly the height of their contents. 
This allows one to "seamlessly" inject foreing content into a main 
document. We've been wanting this for *years*:
- in 
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/07/primary_thunderbird.html, 
asuth remarks that one of asa's suggestions cannot be implemented 
because 80713 blocks us,
- https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9942 (vintage bug, 
beware) is also blocked by 80713 --- actually I think this is what 
Andrew had in mind,
- if we were to rewrite libmime, we'd probably want HTML parts to be in 
their own iframes, rather than having to process the html to make it fit 
in the bigger html chunk of the whole message,
- I'm constantly hitting the bug in my code (Thunderbird Conversations), 
because each message in the conversation is in its own iframe, and 
that's the only way I can do it. I won't go into the long list of gory 
hacks I've had to write, but I'm still hitting issues that would all be 
solved by 80713 : the amount of workarounds I'm writing to get around 
this is becoming ridiculous.
- bwinton also mentions on the bug he wished twice he had that feature.

I can't possibly stress enough how this is blocking us in many different 
areas, and for how long we've wished we had such a feature.

I remember reading an old thread on m.d.planning where Gecko devs 
explicitly stated that Gecko was "the rendering engine for Firefox", not 
other projects (can't find the exact quotation, though), and they were 
not interested in fixing bugs / blocking releases on bugs that didn't 
have a direct impact to / relationship with Firefox.

Thus, my question is : is there anything we can do about it? Can we 
possibly request that the bug be fixed, in some kind of an official 
manner? Can we take some money off our budget to bribe roc into fixing 
it? ;-) I don't think we make that kind of requests often, and that's 
partly because we know we have close to zero weight in the Gecko 
politics, but if there's anything we can do about it, I do think it 
might be worth a try.

Best,

jonathan
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