NNTP and thunderbird-related lists
KaiRo at KaiRo.at
Sat Jul 31 19:02:22 UTC 2010
Dan Mosedale schrieb:
> On 7/29/10 1:49 PM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
>> Still, the push vs. pull problem is a feature of the transport
>> mechanism, and won't be solved by Thunderdrop UX work.
> This is where I'm still confused. If the way one thinks about the user
> experience is "expose the transport layer to the user", I could see
> where that might be the case.
I think abstracting the transport layer away is only a good thing as
long as it doesn't break the fundamentals of that layer, esp. things
like personally targeted (email, IM, social network "personal messages"
- usually transported in some kind of "push" way) vs. broadcasted (feed,
newsgroup, web forums, usually fully on the "pull" side) messages.
For example, it would seriously break my workflow if the whole firehose
of information I'm casually subscribed to would be mixed with the
personal messages in email.
And yes, it's already painful to have some newsletters, and some mailing
lists like tb-planning break that somewhat. I try to avoid such
annoyances where I have good alternatives (reading some OSM mailing
lists via gmane and NNTP instead, for example).
> In general, current Thunderbird thinking is that we try to "design the
> experience to help the user solve a problem and abstract away the
> transport layer".
Maybe that's one of the reasons why I tend to have a large problem with
some of the defaults Thunderbird has switched to. I generally need a
high degree of organization to work, and things like mashing all kinds
of (in my head) different priority things into one, which e.g. the
merging of different accounts into one tree does, is nothing I can work
with efficiently enough that I'd want it. Now, that may just be me, but
it very well may affect some maybe significant, maybe insignificant
portion of the Thunderbird user base.
It looks like we have a case of somewhat radically different views on
the same subject here, which is good as long as it fosters thought and
innovation and not fighting and building walls. ;-)
All that said, I'd be very happy if Thunderbird/SeaMonkey-Messaging
would become significantly better for both personal/push and
broadcast/pull messaging and integrate new forms of it. I also see that
there's overlap of them, and e.g. when looking at something like
Twitter, we're probably firmly in the in-between, depending on how you
use it. ;-)
But here we surely grow very much off-topic on the current discussion,
so I won't go further on that. :)
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