NNTP and thunderbird-related lists
dmose at mozilla.org
Thu Jul 29 17:56:38 UTC 2010
On 7/29/10 5:17 AM, Ben Bucksch wrote:
> Newsgroups are also pull, not push.
I don't really understand how the above sentence relates to the rest of
> I can peek into a group at any time, without having to be subscribed,
> and can see the whole history, and read things in the comfort of
> Thunderbird (I do not feel web archives to be reader friendly, for
> more than a few posts). I also can reply easily there. I often don't
> know whether I am interested in a group, or I want to participate only
> in one thread or only at certain occasions and then ignore the group
Now, it's clear to me from the other things that you've said that
filtering-into-folders has some presentation problems that would need to
be fixed to support your working style well, but let's suppose for a
second that we fixed those.
I see also from the above that there's a barrier-to-entry problem at
My non-understanding of how pull vs. push is relevant to the above
paragraph is because I subscribe to a bunch of mailing lists which I
filter into folders, and some of them I read in very much the style you
describe: I go look at them once a week or once a year. Would that not
work for you?
>> Would it be fair to summarize this reframing by saying:
>> * newsgroups have lower barriers to entry and exit than mailing
>> lists, which is helpful since one often doesn't know how valuable a
>> subscription will be before subscribing?
> No, not really. That's just one part of what I said above.
> It's also when I know the group may be valuable, but only marginally
> and sometimes. With a mailing list, it's all or nothing, always or
> never. With a newsgroup, I fetch the messages and participate when I
> want (which may be only when I feel like it, or once a month/week only
> skimming over it, or only when I hear from third party sources that
> there's an interesting discussion going on right now). With this pull
> method, I am more in control.
I _think_ I've covered this in the above paragraph, but let me know if
>> * (something about web archives)
>> The reason I've put "something about web archives" here is because
>> I'm unclear how the more general statement you've made applies to the
>> specific cases we're talking about here. Our primary archives for
>> tb-planning and tb-enterprise are Google Groups. Is it your feeling
>> that they are insufficiently reader-friendly?
> I find messages on the web reader-unfriendly in general. Websites are
> too slow (1-3s per click), and I don't like that they force their UI
> on me, the UI is usually cumbersome in comparison to TB. I don't like
> web forums, facebook or mailing list archives. I want the stuff in
> Thunderbird, with the Thunderbird 3pane UI (and the faster speed that
> dedicated protocols have). I use Thunderbird instead of a web mailer
> out of conviction, for speed, privacy, comfort, control.
I totally hear you: there are a whole bunch of things that Thunderbird
provides that things like Google Groups does not.
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