[rust-dev] Rust and real-time audio
errordeveloper at gmail.com
Tue Oct 14 01:43:33 PDT 2014
It would make sense to suggest that a Real-time Runtime would be an
interesting project to consider.
I also think that may be one could attempt implementing an audio engine on
a bare-metal chip, like an MCU. For that purpose there is Zinc project to
look into, which already supports some Cortex-M4 devices, which are great
for DSP. Perhaps a device with audio peripherals would have to be found and
drivers may need to be implemented, but this is probably okay to do
considering that such project would leverage Rust's ability to run on
bare-silicon, as well as study it's suitability for real-time applications
without burden of latency caused by general purpose OS.
On 13 Oct 2014 17:35, "David Henningsson" <david.henningsson at canonical.com>
> On 2014-10-08 07:49, David Henningsson wrote:
>> I'm curious about the possibilities to use Rust for programming real-time
>> audio stuff. Usually one has one small task that runs in high priority, and
>> everything else is handled by a main task.
>> I have a few questions related to this:
>> 1) The real-time audio task should never block when not expected to, so
>> stuff like malloc() is forbidden. Is there a way I can mark a
>> section/module/crate/something of the code as "real time safe", and thus
>> get warnings or errors in case I try to do something that would require
>> heap allocation or other blocking stuff?
>> The rest of the code (i e the main task) should still be able to use the
>> entire libstd.
> It seems to me like one option could be to do this runtime, by switching
> the allocator (this should be possible, right?) to one that checks the
> thread context first and fails (or emits a warning) in case we're currently
> in a hard real-time safe thread/mode.
>> 2) The real-time audio thread might want to receive messages as well.
>> Are channels suitable for this, or are the complications that cause things
>> to be problematic here?
> So after having looked through the code, I think I can answer the two
> remaining one myself (but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here) :
> It looks like this *might* be problematic in the sense that there *might*
> be heap memory allocation involved when sending things over the channel.
> But it seems to recycle the memory by keeping a list of "unused list
> items". So it was not designed for hard real-time usage.
>> 3) When using e g ALSA as your audio API, you usually block waiting on a
>> file descriptor. I was wondering if one would be able to select between
>> ALSA's fd and the channel, thus the blocking part of the real-time thread
>> would look something like:
>> select! (
>> command = rx.recv() => handle_command_from_main_thread(command),
>> () = alsa.wait_for_avail() => alsa.write_more_audio_to_buffer()
>> ...where alsa.wait_for_avail() would somehow tell rust that it should
>> block on ALSA's file descriptor in addition to other things (such as
>> messages on the channel).
>> If it matters, assume native threads (i e, not green threads).
> The answer is "no, not as the runtime is currently designed". When a task
> deschedules, it seems to wait on a mutex or semaphore. It is not waiting
> for file descriptors (like the other mainloops I've seen on Linux).
> If it were, it would provide a more flexible approach, including waiting
> for pipes, sockets, etc. And eventfds could replace the mutex/semaphore
> currently used for channels. It would be interesting to know if there was a
> difference in performance though.
> // David
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