[rust-dev] RFC: Future of the Build System

Lee Braiden leebraid at gmail.com
Fri Jan 10 11:18:32 PST 2014

Hmm, after further reading, I think I've they're making more progress on 
it than I thought, from first impressions of the discussion.  They've 
had a lot of different issues to deal with, not just the 
self-dependency, but they got 0.7 packaged, at least.

More detail here, particularly in the last comment:


You can see there that the debian packagers also referenced a list of 
issues that the fedora wrote up:



On 10/01/14 18:43, Erick Tryzelaar wrote:
> Lee,
> Can you go into more detail on the problems that Debian is having 
> packaging Rust? This sounds like a classic bootstrapping problem, and 
> I'm sure other languages are running into it. How does Debian handle 
> that first build of `make` or `bash` that I assume gcc depends on?
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 12:34 AM, Lee Braiden <leebraid at gmail.com 
> <mailto:leebraid at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     On 10/01/14 08:16, Gaetan wrote:
>>     I am not in favor of a customized build system. For instance
>>     boost library use their jam build system, and i never figured how
>>     to use it in my projects.
>>     I push to use standard and well proved build system like cmake or
>>     scons, at least for major components. This would give a nice
>>     example of how to use it in any projects.
>     I'd agree with that on both counts: the principle of using
>     something standard, and the two recommendations.
>     CMake would probably get my vote, because it's not so much a build
>     tool, as a meta tool for whichever system you prefer, so it would
>     fit in well with various platform-specific IDEs, unusual platforms
>     (android, embedded, ...), etc.  That said, scons is also a strong
>     contender, and which of the two is more open to integrating
>     patches and working with new languages is very much worth considering.
>     I think Rust will be contributing to the wider community by
>     lending its support (and patches) to a common, modern build
>     system, AND it will get something back in terms of users who
>     already know the build system.
>>         On Friday, January 10, 2014, George Makrydakis wrote:
>>             Hello,
>>             Having a build system entirely dependent of Rust alone,
>>             would make the entire experience in deploying the
>>             language extremely cohere. The only counter - argument is
>>             indeed that it would require some work to get this to
>>             fruition. I would like to know if this has any chance of
>>             getting priority soon enough.
>     Bear in mind that Debian are having a lot of issues packaging Rust
>     already, because it self-compiles.  If the build tool also had a
>     Rust pre-dependency, that would be a big step backwards.
>     -- 
>     Lee
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