<div dir="auto">Cool, I figured. Just wanted to call it out explicitly since we just went through some of those details with the Taipei team last night.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 30, 2017 7:33 AM, "Jeff Griffiths" <<a href="mailto:jgriffiths@mozilla.com">jgriffiths@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Thanks for clarifying Peter - by "onboarding for 57" I think these content and tour pieces are what I meant.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 07:08 Peter Dolanjski <<a href="mailto:pdolanjski@mozilla.com" target="_blank">pdolanjski@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">The good news about onboarding is that everything can land prior to 57 (if ready) except for some of the content which needs to be swapped out (eg. Explaining how to take a screenshot). The only exception to that is giving a tour to upgrading users from -56->57+ (not just for new downloads where a profile doesn't exist).</div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">On Mar 29, 2017 11:49 PM, "Jeff Griffiths" <<a href="mailto:jgriffiths@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">jgriffiths@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">Onboarding for 57 obviously needs to land only in 57. Visual Styling is in the same boat. </div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">I don't see a downside to making Firefox feel faster right now as long as it doesn't look different.</div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">Jeff</div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 19:24 Dave Townsend <<a href="mailto:dtownsend@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">dtownsend@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">With a little build system shenanigans I think this could work very well for the visual styling aspects of photon, less so for some of the performance and onboarding aspects. I guess it depends how public you want the "photon theme" to be and whether you want to test the other work against both themes.<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Mike Conley <span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mconley@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">mconley@mozilla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">Hey folks,<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div>Not sure if my suggestion got lost in the shuffle, or if it's malodourous / obvious enough that it didn't prompt reply, but would landing the appearance changes as a new complete theme be out of the question? I know we're tearing out the support for that stuff, at least for third-party extensions, but for this kind of theme development, it seems quite well suited.<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div>Or am I wrong?<span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410HOEnZb m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></font></span></div><span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410HOEnZb m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">-Mike<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></font></span><div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410h5 m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">On 29 March 2017 at 08:37, Dão Gottwald <span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:dgottwald@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">dgottwald@mozilla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410h5 m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">2017-03-29 14:18 GMT+02:00 Gijs Kruitbosch <span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:gkruitbosch@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">gkruitbosch@mozilla.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail- m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
<div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-m_203763490791391469moz-cite-prefix m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">On 29/03/2017 11:42, Dão Gottwald
wrote:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">2017-03-28 14:22 GMT+02:00 Gijs
Kruitbosch <span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:gkruitbosch@mozilla.com" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">gkruitbosch@mozilla.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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On 28/03/2017 08:06, Chris Peterson wrote:</span><span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-m_203763490791391469gmail- m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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It seems like some of the smaller visible UI changes
could probably ship in 55/56 without needing a pref.
Users probably won't notice some of the UI polish
features until everything is into place in 57.
Shipping these smaller bits in 55/56 would give us
more testing. <br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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Can you elaborate on this? What are "small visible UI
changes" that users "won't notice"? I'm skeptical these
even exists, looking at (for instance) things like <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345989" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/<wbr>show_bug.cgi?id=1345989</a>
. <a href="https://xkcd.com/1172/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://xkcd.com/1172/</a>
comes to mind... And yes, of course these are extreme
examples, but I'm also looking at the mockups I've seen
and thinking I don't see anything that falls in the "small
polish" category in our main theming & structural
changes.</blockquote>
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You're reading Chris too literally.</div>
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I fail to understand what is "literal" about my reading and how
yours is less so, and I'm disappointed that you're turning an honest
question into "you're (reading it) wrong".<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div></blockquote><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div></span><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">No need to take it personally, I was just trying to answer your question. Clearly, there is no UI change that is guaranteed to go unnoticed with every single user. Reworded as "most users won't notice", are you still skeptical that such changes exist?<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"> We're not trying to make it look like
there were no changes at all between 54, 55 and 56, but the
changes shouldn't particularly stand out and take away from
Photon.<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">For the visual refresh, I'm trying to
be smart and divide the work into parts that can be tackled
early and parts that should wait. Nihanth is going to start
with integrating our new SVG toolbar button icons in bug
1347543 -- this should land when it's ready (I've checked with
shorlander, he's fine with this)</div>
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I wouldn't have thought that changing the icons over to the Photon
icon set would be something we'd do before 57, as that's pretty
noticeable.<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">
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(To be clear, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't do this stuff prior
to 57 if people are on board with it, but to me this is a surprising
example of "small changes".)<span class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-HOEnZb m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></font></span></div></blockquote><div class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"> </div></span></div>From what I've seen the icons are a bit sharper and thinner, but in the grand scheme of things it's a rather subtle and incremental change.<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"><br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg">dao<br class="m_-2217251846212817561m_3269928218231771202m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg m_-2217251846212817561gmail_msg"></div></div>
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