<div dir="auto">The good news about onboarding is that everything can land prior to 57 (if ready) except for some of the content which needs to be swapped out (eg. Explaining how to take a screenshot). The only exception to that is giving a tour to upgrading users from -56->57+ (not just for new downloads where a profile doesn't exist).<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Peter</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 29, 2017 11:49 PM, "Jeff Griffiths" <<a href="mailto:jgriffiths@mozilla.com">jgriffiths@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Onboarding for 57 obviously needs to land only in 57. Visual Styling is in the same boat. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't see a downside to making Firefox feel faster right now as long as it doesn't look different.</div><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 19:24 Dave Townsend <<a href="mailto:dtownsend@mozilla.com" target="_blank">dtownsend@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">With a little build system shenanigans I think this could work very well for the visual styling aspects of photon, less so for some of the performance and onboarding aspects. I guess it depends how public you want the "photon theme" to be and whether you want to test the other work against both themes.<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Mike Conley <span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mconley@mozilla.com" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">mconley@mozilla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">Hey folks,<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div>Not sure if my suggestion got lost in the shuffle, or if it's malodourous / obvious enough that it didn't prompt reply, but would landing the appearance changes as a new complete theme be out of the question? I know we're tearing out the support for that stuff, at least for third-party extensions, but for this kind of theme development, it seems quite well suited.<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div>Or am I wrong?<span class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410HOEnZb m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></font></span></div><span class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410HOEnZb m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">-Mike<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></font></span><div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410h5 m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">On 29 March 2017 at 08:37, Dão Gottwald <span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:dgottwald@mozilla.com" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">dgottwald@mozilla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410h5 m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">2017-03-29 14:18 GMT+02:00 Gijs Kruitbosch <span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:gkruitbosch@mozilla.com" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">gkruitbosch@mozilla.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-m_203763490791391469moz-cite-prefix m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">On 29/03/2017 11:42, Dão Gottwald
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<div class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">2017-03-28 14:22 GMT+02:00 Gijs
Kruitbosch <span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:gkruitbosch@mozilla.com" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">gkruitbosch@mozilla.com</a>></span>:<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">
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On 28/03/2017 08:06, Chris Peterson wrote:</span><span class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-m_203763490791391469gmail- m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">
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It seems like some of the smaller visible UI changes
could probably ship in 55/56 without needing a pref.
Users probably won't notice some of the UI polish
features until everything is into place in 57.
Shipping these smaller bits in 55/56 would give us
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Can you elaborate on this? What are "small visible UI
changes" that users "won't notice"? I'm skeptical these
even exists, looking at (for instance) things like <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345989" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/<wbr>show_bug.cgi?id=1345989</a>
. <a href="https://xkcd.com/1172/" rel="noreferrer" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://xkcd.com/1172/</a>
comes to mind... And yes, of course these are extreme
examples, but I'm also looking at the mockups I've seen
and thinking I don't see anything that falls in the "small
polish" category in our main theming & structural
changes.</blockquote>
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You're reading Chris too literally.</div>
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I fail to understand what is "literal" about my reading and how
yours is less so, and I'm disappointed that you're turning an honest
question into "you're (reading it) wrong".<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div></blockquote><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div></span><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">No need to take it personally, I was just trying to answer your question. Clearly, there is no UI change that is guaranteed to go unnoticed with every single user. Reworded as "most users won't notice", are you still skeptical that such changes exist?<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div><span class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"> We're not trying to make it look like
there were no changes at all between 54, 55 and 56, but the
changes shouldn't particularly stand out and take away from
Photon.<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">
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<div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">For the visual refresh, I'm trying to
be smart and divide the work into parts that can be tackled
early and parts that should wait. Nihanth is going to start
with integrating our new SVG toolbar button icons in bug
1347543 -- this should land when it's ready (I've checked with
shorlander, he's fine with this)</div>
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I wouldn't have thought that changing the icons over to the Photon
icon set would be something we'd do before 57, as that's pretty
noticeable.<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">
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(To be clear, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't do this stuff prior
to 57 if people are on board with it, but to me this is a surprising
example of "small changes".)<span class="m_-8615380700102629791m_511621925727614410m_-3285429559945000409m_-3541295394843722769gmail-HOEnZb m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></font></span></div></blockquote><div class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"> </div></span></div>From what I've seen the icons are a bit sharper and thinner, but in the grand scheme of things it's a rather subtle and incremental change.<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"><br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg">dao<br class="m_-8615380700102629791gmail_msg"></div></div>
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