Photon landing strategy

Peter Dolanjski pdolanjski at mozilla.com
Thu Mar 30 11:48:27 UTC 2017


Cool, I figured.  Just wanted to call it out explicitly since we just went
through some of those details with the Taipei team last night.

Peter

On Mar 30, 2017 7:33 AM, "Jeff Griffiths" <jgriffiths at mozilla.com> wrote:

> Thanks for clarifying Peter - by "onboarding for 57" I think these content
> and tour pieces are what I meant.
>
> Jeff
>
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 07:08 Peter Dolanjski <pdolanjski at mozilla.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The good news about onboarding is that everything can land prior to 57
>> (if ready) except for some of the content which needs to be swapped out
>> (eg. Explaining how to take a screenshot).  The only exception to that is
>> giving a tour to upgrading users from -56->57+ (not just for new downloads
>> where a profile doesn't exist).
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2017 11:49 PM, "Jeff Griffiths" <jgriffiths at mozilla.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Onboarding for 57 obviously needs to land only in 57. Visual Styling is
>> in the same boat.
>>
>> I don't see a downside to making Firefox feel faster right now as long as
>> it doesn't look different.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 19:24 Dave Townsend <dtownsend at mozilla.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> With a little build system shenanigans I think this could work very well
>> for the visual styling aspects of photon, less so for some of the
>> performance and onboarding aspects. I guess it depends how public you want
>> the "photon theme" to be and whether you want to test the other work
>> against both themes.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 3:04 PM, Mike Conley <mconley at mozilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Not sure if my suggestion got lost in the shuffle, or if it's malodourous
>> / obvious enough that it didn't prompt reply, but would landing the
>> appearance changes as a new complete theme be out of the question? I know
>> we're tearing out the support for that stuff, at least for third-party
>> extensions, but for this kind of theme development, it seems quite well
>> suited.
>>
>> Or am I wrong?
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> On 29 March 2017 at 08:37, Dão Gottwald <dgottwald at mozilla.com> wrote:
>>
>> 2017-03-29 14:18 GMT+02:00 Gijs Kruitbosch <gkruitbosch at mozilla.com>:
>>
>> On 29/03/2017 11:42, Dão Gottwald wrote:
>>
>> 2017-03-28 14:22 GMT+02:00 Gijs Kruitbosch <gkruitbosch at mozilla.com>:
>>
>> On 28/03/2017 08:06, Chris Peterson wrote:
>>
>> It seems like some of the smaller visible UI changes could probably ship
>> in 55/56 without needing a pref. Users probably won't notice some of the UI
>> polish features until everything is into place in 57. Shipping these
>> smaller bits in 55/56 would give us more testing.
>>
>> Can you elaborate on this? What are "small visible UI changes" that users
>> "won't notice"? I'm skeptical these even exists, looking at (for instance)
>> things like https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1345989 .
>> https://xkcd.com/1172/ comes to mind... And yes, of course these are
>> extreme examples, but I'm also looking at the mockups I've seen and
>> thinking I don't see anything that falls in the "small polish" category in
>> our main theming & structural changes.
>>
>>
>>
>> You're reading Chris too literally.
>>
>> I fail to understand what is "literal" about my reading and how yours is
>> less so, and I'm disappointed that you're turning an honest question into
>> "you're (reading it) wrong".
>>
>>
>>
>> No need to take it personally, I was just trying to answer your question.
>> Clearly, there is no UI change that is guaranteed to go unnoticed with
>> every single user. Reworded as "most users won't notice", are you still
>> skeptical that such changes exist?
>>
>>
>> We're not trying to make it look like there were no changes at all
>> between 54, 55 and 56, but the changes shouldn't particularly stand out and
>> take away from Photon.
>>
>> <snip>
>> For the visual refresh, I'm trying to be smart and divide the work into
>> parts that can be tackled early and parts that should wait. Nihanth is
>> going to start with integrating our new SVG toolbar button icons in bug
>> 1347543 -- this should land when it's ready (I've checked with shorlander,
>> he's fine with this)
>>
>>
>> I wouldn't have thought that changing the icons over to the Photon icon
>> set would be something we'd do before 57, as that's pretty noticeable.
>>
>> (To be clear, I'm not arguing that we shouldn't do this stuff prior to 57
>> if people are on board with it, but to me this is a surprising example of
>> "small changes".)
>>
>>
>>
>> From what I've seen the icons are a bit sharper and thinner, but in the
>> grand scheme of things it's a rather subtle and incremental change.
>>
>> dao
>>
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