<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I don’t have a strong opinion for either side, though I imagined that “login” was an incremental improvement.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gavin has a point about credentials being conventionally known as “passwords”. We use “passwords”, so does Chrome and Safari. 1Password uses logins (but also has a section called Passwords when it fails to capture the username).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless anyone strongly objects, I’ll revert the labels to “Passwords” in the LucidChart.</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div class=""><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Ryan Feeley</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">UX, Cloud Services</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">Mozilla UX</div><div style="orphans: 2; widows: 2;" class="">IRC: rfeeley</div></div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 30, 2015, at 10:45 AM, Gavin Sharp <<a href="mailto:gavin@gavinsharp.com" class="">gavin@gavinsharp.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">We're bike<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">1) The feature name does not need to perfectly capture "what the user wants" at a technical level. The feature name just needs to to unambiguously explain the benefit in a way that users will understand it, and I think the current name does that just fine.<br class=""><br class=""></div>2) The details of specific types of credentials stored are way too low level to influence this kind of naming decision. I suspect "password" is a more widely understood term than "login" (the noun), that's really what matters.<br class=""><br class="">Gavin<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Christopher Karlof <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ckarlof@mozilla.com" target="_blank" class="">ckarlof@mozilla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">I encourage you all to watch this standup comedy sketch on passwords. It’s funny and revealing:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJ-NSPES9Y" target="_blank" class="">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJ-NSPES9Y</a><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think users want something that “remembers a password” per se — they want something that makes logging in easier and faster. I have a hypothesis that the focus on “passwords” is off-putting to a broader audience, and a copy change to “logins” may help. It’s my opinion at this point, and I agree with Dolske that some data to validate this notion would be wise before committing. <br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Looking forward, there are other types of login credentials we might manage in the future (<a href="https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/credentialmanagement/" target="_blank" class="">https://w3c.github.io/webappsec/specs/credentialmanagement/</a>). I don’t think a couple change needs to be necessarily coupled with our current immediate improvements, but it’s something to keep in the back of our minds.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-chris</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Gavin Sharp <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:gavin@gavinsharp.com" target="_blank" class="">gavin@gavinsharp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=""><span class="">> We assume that login is understood to include both a username and password<br class="">
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</span>In general I think "login" is a less used/understood term than<br class="">
"password", and I don't think "but what about my username?" is a<br class="">
question that puzzles anyone in practice.<br class="">
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Gavin<br class="">
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On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:46 PM, Ryan Feeley <<a href="mailto:rfeeley@mozilla.com" target="_blank" class="">rfeeley@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
> Hi all,<br class="">
><br class="">
> You may have noticed that we have transitioned from labelling Saved<br class="">
> Passwords to Saved Logins (or Logins in limited space).<br class="">
><br class="">
> We did this for four reasons:<br class="">
><br class="">
> We assume that the word “password” induces varying levels of anxiety for<br class="">
> users<br class="">
> We assume that login is understood to include both a username and password<br class="">
> We assume that the impact will be small to SUMO and legacy artifacts<br class="">
><br class="">
> Safe assumptions?<br class="">
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> Ryan Feeley<br class="">
> UX, Cloud Services<br class="">
> Mozilla UX<br class="">
> IRC: rfeeley<br class="">
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> P.S. Last assumption: I assume that at least one person on this list has the<br class="">
> authority to green light this change.<br class="">
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