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1. Bug(ish) report (Michael Rabinovsky)<br>
2. Re: Bug(ish) report (miguel aluen)<br>
3. Re: Bug(ish) report (dmccunney)<br>
4. Re: Nightly update quirk (ramankhaira khaira)<br>
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:01:14 -0400<br>
From: Michael Rabinovsky <<a href="mailto:mrabinovsky@gmail.com">mrabinovsky@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Hi there.<br>
I noticed that since I started using 8.0a1 the firefox process stopped<br>
closing it self automatically most of the time. If I close allo the windows<br>
and try to open firefox again I am told it is already running. I have to<br>
kill it manually almost every time.<br>
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To add to that, I usually close the process when it is using about or over<br>
1Gig of RAM. The thing is after FF7 it was supposed to clear it's unused mem<br>
chunks more efficiently, I don't see that happening though.... When firefox<br>
starts is shows about 150-200 megs depending on the tabs I open on startup.<br>
When I close it, no matter how long I wait it still uses 1Gig. I closed out<br>
all my tabs before closing firefox, and I also waited before closing<br>
firefox. Also the GC and GC+CC and Use the memory buttons don't do anything<br>
for me.<br>
<br>
Actually looking at it right now I think there might be a memory leak, as I<br>
just sat here and did nothing but watch Windows Task Menager show firefox<br>
going from about 260Megs to 288Megs and it is still climbing.<br>
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I am kinda new to this whole nightly email thing, so I'm sorry if this was<br>
out of place.<br>
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 07:11:14 -0500<br>
From: miguel aluen <<a href="mailto:miguel.aluen@gmail.com">miguel.aluen@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Michael Rabinovsky <<a href="mailto:mrabinovsky@gmail.com">mrabinovsky@gmail.com</a>><br>
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I am having the same situation of Nightly 8.0a1 on the memory part.<br>
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On the closing and startup all seems normal.<br>
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Nightly runs on OS X 10.6.8 on an Intel Core 2 Duo.<br>
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Best...<br>
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On Jul 9, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Michael Rabinovsky wrote:<br>
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> Hi there.<br>
> I noticed that since I started using 8.0a1 the firefox process stopped closing it self automatically most of the time. If I close allo the windows and try to open firefox again I am told it is already running. I have to kill it manually almost every time.<br>
><br>
> To add to that, I usually close the process when it is using about or over 1Gig of RAM. The thing is after FF7 it was supposed to clear it's unused mem chunks more efficiently, I don't see that happening though.... When firefox starts is shows about 150-200 megs depending on the tabs I open on startup. When I close it, no matter how long I wait it still uses 1Gig. I closed out all my tabs before closing firefox, and I also waited before closing firefox. Also the GC and GC+CC and Use the memory buttons don't do anything for me.<br>
><br>
> Actually looking at it right now I think there might be a memory leak, as I just sat here and did nothing but watch Windows Task Menager show firefox going from about 260Megs to 288Megs and it is still climbing.<br>
><br>
> I am kinda new to this whole nightly email thing, so I'm sorry if this was out of place.<br>
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> Cheers,<br>
> Michael Rabinovsky<br>
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 08:37:20 -0400<br>
From: dmccunney <<a href="mailto:dennis.mccunney@gmail.com">dennis.mccunney@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: Michael Rabinovsky <<a href="mailto:mrabinovsky@gmail.com">mrabinovsky@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Michael Rabinovsky<br>
<<a href="mailto:mrabinovsky@gmail.com">mrabinovsky@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Actually looking at it right now I think there might be a memory leak, as I<br>
> just sat here and did nothing but watch Windows Task Menager show firefox<br>
> going from about 260Megs to 288Megs and it is still climbing.<br>
<br>
> I am kinda new to this whole nightly email thing, so I'm sorry if this was<br>
> out of place.<br>
<br>
What platform are you running Nightly on, and what addons do you have loaded?<br>
<br>
I'm running FF5, FF6 beta, Aurora, and Nightly on an XP box with 4GB<br>
RAM, using a common profile and switching between them. I don't see<br>
those issues. Right now, Nightly is using about 281MB of RAM, with<br>
one tab (GMail) open. Since I'm loading 85 extensions, I don't<br>
consider that unreasonable.<br>
<br>
One thing to recall is that current versions of FF do take longer to<br>
shut down than older 3.X releases - the switch to SQLite databases for<br>
holding most data had benefits, but brought a bit more overhead to<br>
shutting down in terms of the time requires to properly commit all<br>
transactions and close all files. I have occasionally exited one<br>
version of FF to load another and had the new one complain, because<br>
the one I was using still had the profile locked and the new one<br>
couldn't use it. I was simply trying to switch too fast.<br>
<br>
I *have* occasionally seen Aurora and Nightly fail to properly shut<br>
down - Process Explorer will show a Firefox and Plugin Container<br>
process still in memory but no window associated with them, and<br>
killing the process was required. This has been quite infrequent, and<br>
seems to happen mainly after updates are applies.<br>
<br>
Try running Nightly in Safe Mode with all addons disabled, and see<br>
what memory consumption does and whether you still have the shutdown<br>
problems. (Invoke it as "firefox.exe -safe-mode") There may indeed<br>
be a memory leak, but it may not be Firefox itself leaking.<br>
<br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Michael Rabinovsky<br>
______<br>
Dennis<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:01:07 +0530<br>
From: ramankhaira khaira <<a href="mailto:ramankhaira47@gmail.com">ramankhaira47@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: auscompgeek <<a href="mailto:auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org">auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:nightly-testers@mozilla.org">nightly-testers@mozilla.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: Nightly update quirk<br>
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unscribe piz dont send me email<br>
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On 7/8/11, auscompgeek <<a href="mailto:auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org">auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here. Proper English<br>
> please.<br>
><br>
> On 08/07/2011, at 4:08 PM, Nancy Miller <<a href="mailto:purplemaizenjm@yahoo.com">purplemaizenjm@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Mac people have an Apple on the left hand side of their computer u click<br>
>> on that and u can check for software updates. That is what she is talking<br>
>> about. For Me I Click on Nightly updates on the blue label and that is<br>
>> how I found out that I need 8.0... but it keeps updating me everytime I<br>
>> turn the browser on... LOL<br>
>> From: auscompgeek <<a href="mailto:auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org">auscompgeek@sumovolunteers.org</a>><br>
>> To: dmccunney <<a href="mailto:dennis.mccunney@gmail.com">dennis.mccunney@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> Cc: <a href="mailto:nightly-testers@mozilla.org">nightly-testers@mozilla.org</a><br>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2011 1:22 AM<br>
>> Subject: Re: Nightly update quirk<br>
>><br>
>> Whoops, sorry about the last email. Accidentally hit send before I was<br>
>> ready.<br>
>><br>
>> May I ask if you actually have write privileges to the Firefox install<br>
>> directory?<br>
>><br>
>> On 07/07/2011, at 2:24 AM, dmccunney <<a href="mailto:dennis.mccunney@gmail.com">dennis.mccunney@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> > On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 1:40 PM, Anthony Hughes <<a href="mailto:ahughes@mozilla.com">ahughes@mozilla.com</a>><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> >> You mentioned in this thread that you are using a Firewall. I'm<br>
>> >> wondering if<br>
>> >> this is preventing connection to the update server in some cases. Would<br>
>> >> you be<br>
>> >> willing to test this with your Firewall disabled?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Okay, I just tried again. I shutdown Sygate Personal Firewall before<br>
>> > running Nightly.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Nightly started, first briefly showing a "Your updates are being<br>
>> > applied" dialog box (*What* updates? There weren't any to apply.),<br>
>> > then the dialog box where it is testing addons for compatibility, and<br>
>> > then the Software Update screen telling me there is a new version and<br>
>> > I should upgrade, and finally the main Nightly window, overlaying the<br>
>> > Software Update window. (Z-order issue there: the Software Update<br>
>> > window ought to remain on top.) As before, clicking the link for more<br>
>> > information about the update does nothing. Also as before, clicking<br>
>> > Next produces the moving marquee box indicating that it is trying to<br>
>> > connect to the Update Server, and as before, the connection never<br>
>> > happens.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Netstat -a shows no connections Mozilla hosts that might be the update<br>
>> > server.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Process Explorer opened to get details on the Nightly process shows no<br>
>> > progress in any connection. The connect to the Update Server simply<br>
>> > does not take place when initiated from the Software Update window.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I killed the Software Update window by clicking on the Close X, then<br>
>> > did Help/About, and was informed there was a new update. Clicking<br>
>> > Apply downloaded and applied Nightly 8.0a1 20110706030833 nightly, and<br>
>> > I'm posting from it now.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > I think I can safely conclude the firewall on my end is not interfering.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > What address should the Software Update dialog be attempting to<br>
>> > connect to? Is there something that will tell me what it is when the<br>
>> > attempt is being made? Whatever it is, it does not appear to succeed,<br>
>> > while Help/About *always* does. From what I can see, the Software<br>
>> > Update window is either not actually starting a connection to the<br>
>> > update server, is attempting to connect to a non-existent location and<br>
>> > failing, or is attempting to connect to an existing location but not<br>
>> > successfully initiating transfer. (In a prior attempt, I saw some<br>
>> > connections in netstat -a that looked like they might be to the Update<br>
>> > Server, but they were gone when I ran netstat again.)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > If other folks on this thread are running a current Nightly on XP and<br>
>> > this works for them, I'd like to hear about it. It may well be a<br>
>> > quirk in my configuration, but I'm at a loss to know what.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > (And is there a preference I can set that will turn off the<br>
>> > compatibility checks when first run? I have compatibility checking<br>
>> > turned off through Addon Compatibility Reporter, and all will be<br>
>> > enabled. The startup compatibility check is a waste of time.)<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> Anthony Hughes<br>
>> >> Quality Engineer<br>
>> >> Mozilla Corporation<br>
>> > ______<br>
>> > Dennis<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> >> From: "dmccunney" <<a href="mailto:dennis.mccunney@gmail.com">dennis.mccunney@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> To: "Anthony Hughes" <<a href="mailto:ahughes@mozilla.com">ahughes@mozilla.com</a>><br>
>> >> Cc: <a href="mailto:nightly-testers@mozilla.org">nightly-testers@mozilla.org</a><br>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:24:29 AM<br>
>> >> Subject: Re: Nightly update quirk<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Anthony Hughes <<a href="mailto:ahughes@mozilla.com">ahughes@mozilla.com</a>><br>
>> >> wrote:<br>
>> >>>> So when Nightly pops up the Software Update box, I should click Next,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Yes. Although "Next" is not entirely intuitive, it means to "proceed<br>
>> >>> with the update".<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Intuitive enough. I understood that was the action that would<br>
>> >> supposedly take place.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>>> hide it, and assume everything worked<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Shouldn't be necessary since a nightly update within 24 hours will be<br>
>> >>> very small (usually only a few MB)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Agreed, if it ever actually occurred. I just had another instance<br>
>> >> here. I started Nightly, and got the Software Update box. I clicked<br>
>> >> Next to have it proceed. I spent 15 minutes or so doing things, and<br>
>> >> it was still at the "Connecting to update server" stage.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I restarted Nighty, did Help/About, got informed in a few seconds<br>
>> >> there was an update, and it DLed, applied, and Nightly restarted in<br>
>> >> less than 30 seconds. If the update applied from the Software Update<br>
>> >> box actually worked, I'd expect similar time frames.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>>> the update will be applied next time I restart?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Yes.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be occurring. If an update *is*<br>
>> >> applied. my firewall pops up a dialog box stating Nightly has changed<br>
>> >> and asks if I want to permit it to access the network. If I *don't*<br>
>> >> see that, it's a good bet no update happened. I don't see that.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>>> Part of what confused me was that it didn't seem to be connecting<br>
>> >>>> with<br>
>> >>>> the update server, even after I let it run for a while.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I don't believe there is an intuitive method on the UI to re-check for<br>
>> >>> updates<br>
>> >>> nor to stop a failing connection attempt. Connectivity issues are not<br>
>> >>> necessarily<br>
>> >>> Firefox bugs but may be issues with your local infrastructure, your<br>
>> >>> ISP, Mozilla<br>
>> >>> servers, external mirrors, and everything in between. If you cannot<br>
>> >>> connect on<br>
>> >>> first attempt, my only suggestion is to hide the dialog and let it<br>
>> >>> time out on its own<br>
>> >>> or to restart Firefox and recheck for updates.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Agreed on the possible causes for failure, but they don't seem<br>
>> >> applicable here. In almost every instance, if I restart Nightly,<br>
>> >> Help/About shows an update available, and it DLs and applies very<br>
>> >> quickly. I would expect most connectivity issues to affect *that*,<br>
>> >> too.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Hiding the UI and letting it timeout is the least invasive option<br>
>> >>> since Firefox will<br>
>> >>> automatically reping the server at predetermined intervals.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> What interval? And is there a log kept anywhere of the update and the<br>
>> >> last status I can look at?<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> There is definitely room for improvement in the intuitiveness of the<br>
>> >>> update dialog and<br>
>> >>> underlying processes. I don't think what you are seeing are Firefox<br>
>> >>> bugs but how its<br>
>> >>> currently designed to work.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I concur that what I am seeing is how it is designed to work. I just<br>
>> >> don't believe it *is* working. As far as I can tell, the connection<br>
>> >> to the update servers started from the Software Update dialog simply<br>
>> >> never happens, while the update started from Help/About *always*<br>
>> >> does. (I *have* seen Nightly complain that a DLed update could not be<br>
>> >> applied and recommend I grab the latest full installer instead. Are<br>
>> >> there logs anywhere that would tell me why it thought the attempt<br>
>> >> failed?)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> I recommend submitting feature improvement bugs through bugzilla if<br>
>> >>> you have any<br>
>> >>> suggestions for how it might be improved. Enhancements to the updater<br>
>> >>> UI should be<br>
>> >>> filed under Toolkit > Application Update; problems with connecting to<br>
>> >>> the update server<br>
>> >>> should be filed under Mozilla.org > Release Engineering; bugs with the<br>
>> >>> AUS service itself<br>
>> >>> should be filed under AUS > General.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> So noted, and thanks. I'll happily file the appropriate bug(s) once I<br>
>> >> have enough information to hopefully provide a reproducible test case.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Anthony Hughes<br>
>> >>> Quality Engineer<br>
>> >>> Mozilla Corporation<br>
>> >> ______<br>
>> >> Dennis<br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > ______<br>
>> > Dennis<br>
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