It's time to remove plugin support from Firefox mobile

Lawrence Mandel lmandel at mozilla.com
Mon May 13 09:12:27 PDT 2013



----- Original Message -----
> 
> On Fri 10 May 2013 11:50:46 AM PDT, David Keeler wrote:
> >> We still struggle to get mobile content served to us by
> >> websites/servers.
> >
> > Well, it's not going to happen if we don't push them.
> 
> They don't care at this moment about non-webkit browsers. This
> sentiment is starting to change in the web design world but even
> getting sites where we have good contacts such as FB to fully support
> us is hard. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=759986
> 
> We don't have the market share to be as aggressive as you are
> suggesting. If sites don't work in FxA users will just use
> Chrome/Stock/Dolphin.

To me, this is the reason to keep Flash (plug-in) support. We need to differentiate Firefox for Android to attract users. A good way to do that is to support Flash content on mobile while other browsers do not.

Lawrence

> 
> >> Our h264 decoding on Android is still a work in progress.
> >
> > H264 support is not a prerequisite to removing plugin support. As
> > illustrated, there are other existing options for delivering the
> > content
> > people want.
> >
> >> Removing it before Adobe EoL Flash will result in negative reviews
> >
> > According to
> > http://wwwimages.adobe.com/www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/devnet/flashplatform/whitepapers/flash-runtimes-roadmap.pdf
> > , "Adobe will continue to provide critical bug fixes and security
> > updates for existing device configurations through September 2013".
> > Assuming 6 weeks per release, Firefox 24 will be released
> > mid-September,
> > just in time for EoL of Flash on Android. I think this is a good
> > time to
> > start making plans for this.
> 
> The hardware Flash runs on does not immediately get replaced. We do
> need to provide an exit ramp. But a wall on September is not the
> correct action. Flash runs on about 70% of the hardware currently on
> the market.
> 
> Kevin
> 
> > On 05/10/13 11:33, Kevin Brosnan wrote:
> >> Now is not the time.
> >>
> >> We still struggle to get mobile content served to us by
> >> websites/servers.
> >>
> >> Our h264 decoding on Android is still a work in progress. There
> >> are
> >> devices that are blocked from trying h264 [1]. We (FxA QA) are in
> >> the
> >> process of doing a review of our playback on 70+ devices we have
> >> on
> >> hand. The issues we have found so far are listed on a meta bug
> >> [2].
> >>
> >> We regularly get 5 star reviews on the Play Store because of our
> >> Flash
> >> support. Removing it before Adobe EoL Flash will result in
> >> negative
> >> reviews and some of the positive reviews to change to 1 or 2 star
> >> reviews.
> >>
> >> Kevin Brosnan
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://wiki.mozilla.org/Blocklisting/Blocked_Graphics_Drivers#On_Android_2
> >> [2] https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=867846
> >>
> >> On 05/10/2013 10:54 AM, David Keeler wrote:
> >>> [bcc'd to many lists for wide visibility - discussion should
> >>> probably be
> >>> on mobile.firefox.dev
> >>> (https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/mobile-firefox-dev )]
> >>>
> >>> TL;DR: Now is a good time to remove plugin support from Firefox
> >>> for
> >>> Android.
> >>>
> >>> Consider:
> >>> * We do not support plugins for Firefox OS and do not plan to
> >>> * The only plugin that most users care about is Flash. Adobe
> >>> stopped
> >>> development for Flash on Android in November of 2011, which is a
> >>> year
> >>> and a half ago[1].
> >>> * Popular sites that use plugins have native apps. This includes
> >>> YouTube, Netflix, Hulu, and so on. Other sites can follow suit or
> >>> use
> >>> modern web technologies like HTML5. Addons are also an option.
> >>> * Plugins are a security hazard
> >>> * Plugins drain battery life and make Firefox seem slow
> >>>
> >>> Let's be bold, let's protect our users, and let's move the web
> >>> forward.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html
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