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screenshots somewhere? I can't build Firefox on my system.<br>
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One thing I would like for the awesomebar is ability to switch off
all search engine results so that it is purely driven by history
(previously visited URLs) as that is 99.9% of all my URL-bar
needs. <br>
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There seems to be a tendency to mix both, like done in google /
IE. I still prefer having the search box 100% separate. Google
(and to be fair a lot of users) seem to think the only proper way
of getting to any page is through a search service.<br>
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Axel<br>
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background-color:rgba(220,220,240,0.4); border-radius:3px;"> <b>Subject:</b>
Re: Rethink and discuss one-line suggestions in awesome bar<br>
<b>From: </b>Sebastian Zartner<br>
<b>To:</b> Gijs Kruitbosch <br>
<b>CC: </b>Firefox Dev <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:firefox-dev@mozilla.org"><firefox-dev@mozilla.org></a> <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 8 April 2016 at 14:16, Gijs
Kruitbosch <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gijskruitbosch@gmail.com" target="_blank">gijskruitbosch@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>On 08/04/2016 12:31, Sebastian Zartner wrote:<br>
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<div>Trying to analyze the design objectively:<br>
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</span> Much as I had a personal "OMGCHANGE" reaction to
this thing, filed some bugs, and am still not convinced,
I don't think this is an "objective" analysis. You're
assuming that everybody values URLs as you do, for
one...<span class=""><br>
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<div>Well, I said "trying". ;-) Regarding URLs I gave an
objective reason. They are unique while titles may be the
same and therefore cannot always be used to identify a
page. (There must be a reason why Chrome, Opera and Edge
list the URL first...) <br>
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<div>- Having one line per page reduces vertical
clutter and makes them easier distinguishable.<br>
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<div>- Having URL and title on the same line
saves valuable vertical space at the cost of
using more horizontal space and cropping long
URLs and titles earlier in some situations,
disallowing to identify pages with long URLs
on smaller window sizes.<br>
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</span> Equally, for pages with relatively short titles,
there is now *more* space for URLs than there was
previously (ie specifically, if the title is shorter
than (roughly) the space occupied by everything else in
the window besides the URL bar, which is fairly commonly
the case).<span class=""><br>
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<div>Was the decision for putting them on one line backed by
some statistics regarding their lengths? <br>
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<div>- Page titles may be equal for different
URLs. So, to be able to distinguish websites
it makes more sense to list the URL first.<br>
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</span> In those cases the page URL is usually identical
at least up to the path, sometimes up to (part of) the
query string. Should we omit all the identical
information?<br>
This might make sense if the *only* hits are identical
URLs. Otherwise, all this information still serves the
purpose of distinguishing those results from others
(with different titles / URLs).<br>
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<div>The identical information would need to be listed at
least once then to allow identifying the pages. So, that
might end up in some kind of grouping by URL.<br>
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<div> <br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Note that this
criticism could have been leveled at the previous
implementation, too.<br>
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<div>Sure, but the vertical listing required less eye
movement to identify a page in many cases.<br>
<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> In any case, much
as I am annoyed by e.g. identical treeherder try push
titles ("try [0]", thanks!), I think we're in the
minority there.<span class=""><br>
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<div>Again, statistics might help to prove that claim. <br>
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<div>- Having URLs listed directly besides the
title together causes visual clutter and more
eye strain for users looking mainly/only at
the URLs.<br>
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</blockquote>
</span> "Visual clutter" obviously being subjective
here. Notably, your first point above said it was
reducing vertical clutter...<span class=""><br>
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<div>In this case it's horizontal clutter. Not sure if it's
the right expression, as I am not a native English
speaker. The point here is that the URLs are not aligned
to each other vertically, which, I believe, requires more
eye movement than before to identify a URL.<br>
<br>
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<div>Note that I'm not against the one-line suggestions, I
just want to get the reasonings behind the different
related UI changes clarified and discuss whether they may
still be improved.<br>
<br>
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<div>Sebastian<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 7 April 2016 at
20:07, Tom Schuster <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div>+1 I found this analysis insightful:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4dq6vl/new_awesomebar_looks_good_nightly/d1th1p4"
target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4dq6vl/new_awesomebar_looks_good_nightly/d1th1p4</a>.<br>
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I \do/ like the slimmer look, but sadly
that is probably not possible with two
lines. I am also annoyed by the width for
some reason, there is like 50% just white.
It's kind of distracting.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr
7, 2016 at 6:07 PM, Axel Hecht <span
dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:l10n@mozilla.com">l10n@mozilla.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">To
pile on, I also just had a moment
where my eyes were going left and
right trying to figure out which
url I was looking for.<br>
<br>
I'd personally would like to see
the URLs aligned to each other. I
think that'd be nice for the folks
that still use URLs in their head,
as they can scan through them
vertically.<br>
<br>
It'd also be nice for people that
don't care, as they'd be
consistently moved out of sight
while vertically scanning the page
titles.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Axel</font></span>
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On 07/04/16 17:35, Quicksaver
wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> Following up on the suggestion by
Marco in bug 1262843 [1],
this list is probably more
appropriate for this
discussion.<br>
<br>
For context, taken from bug
1262777 [2] :<br>
<br>
By (me) Luís Miguel
[:quicksaver]:<br>
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[...] On smaller screens,
you actually lose
information (cropped
titles and urls). On
larger screens the
difference isn't all that
great, [...] there can be
far too much empty space
still; especially for
search suggestions which
don't have an url [...].
This change seems to
optimize only for the very
middle case screen sizes
in there.<br>
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By Marco Bonardo [::mak]:<br>
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Before we had all
information packed to the
left, while now it flows
on a single line, taking
on avg double the space.
By enlarging the panel to
the whole window on avg we
enlarged it less than
double. So potentially, we
may now have less empty
space.<br>
If I take into account a
modern 21:9 screen, I'd
say the empty space
situation was not really
better before.<br>
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<br>
Definitely true about it not
being particularly perfect
before either.<br>
<br>
Aspect ratios seem to trend
to increase, but I'm
considering the overall size
pizel-wise. Even though
screens are larger, they
don't necessarily hold up
more information if they
don't have the resolution
for it. AFAIK, 1366x766 is
still one of the most common
for utility/small-to-middle
level laptops. Larger
resolutions typically have a
zoom factor applied, so the
difference in terms of
"usable" space there is
minimized as well.<br>
<br>
I see the new suggestions as
(possibly!) going in an
unfavorable trajectory. Now
I have to physically move my
eyes and look for the url,
since it never starts in the
same place as it depends on
the title, and it's easy to
lose track of where you are:
"that's not it, go back to
title. Wait, what line was I
on?"; <-- two huge breaks
in workflow!<br>
<br>
Before, I could go from up
to down in a single "visual
action" until I found what I
wanted. Even though I can
understand the intention of
"cramming up" more
information in there, it's
just not as easily
accessible and will thus IMO
be less useful.<br>
<br>
Have you also considered
aligning the urls rather
than have them fully inline
with the title? Even just
that could possibly make the
whole thing much more
visually appealing. Maybe.
Maybe not. ;)<br>
<br>
I can't really argue that
it's a big change and a
small test run to see how it
does "out there" can't hurt.
But I still have concerns,
better voice them early on.
:)<br>
<br>
(That's the only detail I
disagree with the new
design, the rest seems to
fall in line more or less
with the objectives IMHO,
it'll mostly take some
getting used to I guess. The
extra padding between the
scrollbar and the border is
weird to look at though, but
that's a minor detail.)<br>
<br>
Luís Miguel<br>
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