<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 April 2016 at 14:16, Gijs Kruitbosch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:gijskruitbosch@gmail.com" target="_blank">gijskruitbosch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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Much as I had a personal "OMGCHANGE" reaction to this thing, filed
some bugs, and am still not convinced, I don't think this is an
"objective" analysis. You're assuming that everybody values URLs as
you do, for one...<span class=""><br></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, I said "trying". ;-) Regarding URLs I gave an objective reason. They are unique while titles may be the same and therefore cannot always be used to identify a page. (There must be a reason why Chrome, Opera and Edge list the URL first...) <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class="">
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<div>- Having one line per page reduces vertical clutter and
makes them easier distinguishable.<br>
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<div>- Having URL and title on the same line saves valuable
vertical space at the cost of using more horizontal space
and cropping long URLs and titles earlier in some
situations, disallowing to identify pages with long URLs on
smaller window sizes.<br>
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Equally, for pages with relatively short titles, there is now *more*
space for URLs than there was previously (ie specifically, if the
title is shorter than (roughly) the space occupied by everything
else in the window besides the URL bar, which is fairly commonly the
case).<span class=""><br></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Was the decision for putting them on one line backed by some statistics regarding their lengths? <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class="">
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<div>- Page titles may be equal for different URLs. So, to be
able to distinguish websites it makes more sense to list the
URL first.<br>
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In those cases the page URL is usually identical at least up to the
path, sometimes up to (part of) the query string. Should we omit all
the identical information?<br>This might make sense if the *only* hits are identical URLs.
Otherwise, all this information still serves the purpose of
distinguishing those results from others (with different titles /
URLs).<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The identical information would need to be listed at least once then to allow identifying the pages. So, that might end up in some kind of grouping by URL.<br></div><div> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Note that this criticism could have been leveled at the
previous implementation, too.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure, but the vertical listing required less eye movement to identify a page in many cases.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
In any case, much as I am annoyed by e.g. identical treeherder try
push titles ("try [0]", thanks!), I think we're in the minority
there.<span class=""><br></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, statistics might help to prove that claim. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span class="">
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<div>- Having URLs listed directly besides the title together
causes visual clutter and more eye strain for users looking
mainly/only at the URLs.<br>
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"Visual clutter" obviously being subjective here. Notably, your
first point above said it was reducing vertical clutter...<span class=""><br></span></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>In this case it's horizontal clutter. Not sure if it's the right expression, as I am not a native English speaker. The point here is that the URLs are not aligned to each other vertically, which, I believe, requires more eye movement than before to identify a URL.<br><br></div><div>Note that I'm not against the one-line suggestions, I just want to get the reasonings behind the different related UI changes clarified and discuss whether they may still be improved.<br><br></div><div>Sebastian<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class=""></span><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">
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<div>+1 I found this analysis insightful: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4dq6vl/new_awesomebar_looks_good_nightly/d1th1p4" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4dq6vl/new_awesomebar_looks_good_nightly/d1th1p4" target="_blank">https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/4dq6vl/new_awesomebar_looks_good_nightly/d1th1p4</a>.<br>
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I \do/ like the slimmer look, but sadly that is probably
not possible with two lines. I am also annoyed by the
width for some reason, there is like 50% just white. It's
kind of distracting.<br>
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PM, Axel Hecht <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:l10n@mozilla.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:l10n@mozilla.com" target="_blank">l10n@mozilla.com</a>></span>
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pile on, I also just had a moment where my eyes
were going left and right trying to figure out
which url I was looking for.<br>
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I'd personally would like to see the URLs aligned
to each other. I think that'd be nice for the
folks that still use URLs in their head, as they
can scan through them vertically.<br>
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It'd also be nice for people that don't care, as
they'd be consistently moved out of sight while
vertically scanning the page titles.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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On 07/04/16 17:35, Quicksaver wrote:<br>
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Following up on the suggestion by Marco in
bug 1262843 [1], this list is probably more
appropriate for this discussion.<br>
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For context, taken from bug 1262777 [2] :<br>
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By (me) Luís Miguel [:quicksaver]:<br>
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[...] On smaller screens, you actually
lose information (cropped titles and
urls). On larger screens the difference
isn't all that great, [...] there can be
far too much empty space still; especially
for search suggestions which don't have an
url [...]. This change seems to optimize
only for the very middle case screen sizes
in there.<br>
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By Marco Bonardo [::mak]:<br>
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Before we had all information packed to
the left, while now it flows on a single
line, taking on avg double the space. By
enlarging the panel to the whole window on
avg we enlarged it less than double. So
potentially, we may now have less empty
space.<br>
If I take into account a modern 21:9
screen, I'd say the empty space situation
was not really better before.<br>
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Definitely true about it not being
particularly perfect before either.<br>
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Aspect ratios seem to trend to increase, but
I'm considering the overall size pizel-wise.
Even though screens are larger, they don't
necessarily hold up more information if they
don't have the resolution for it. AFAIK,
1366x766 is still one of the most common for
utility/small-to-middle level laptops.
Larger resolutions typically have a zoom
factor applied, so the difference in terms
of "usable" space there is minimized as
well.<br>
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I see the new suggestions as (possibly!)
going in an unfavorable trajectory. Now I
have to physically move my eyes and look for
the url, since it never starts in the same
place as it depends on the title, and it's
easy to lose track of where you are: "that's
not it, go back to title. Wait, what line
was I on?"; <-- two huge breaks in
workflow!<br>
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Before, I could go from up to down in a
single "visual action" until I found what I
wanted. Even though I can understand the
intention of "cramming up" more information
in there, it's just not as easily accessible
and will thus IMO be less useful.<br>
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Have you also considered aligning the urls
rather than have them fully inline with the
title? Even just that could possibly make
the whole thing much more visually
appealing. Maybe. Maybe not. ;)<br>
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I can't really argue that it's a big change
and a small test run to see how it does "out
there" can't hurt. But I still have
concerns, better voice them early on. :)<br>
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(That's the only detail I disagree with the
new design, the rest seems to fall in line
more or less with the objectives IMHO, it'll
mostly take some getting used to I guess.
The extra padding between the scrollbar and
the border is weird to look at though, but
that's a minor detail.)<br>
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Luís Miguel<br>
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[1] <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262843" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262843</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262777" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262777</a><br>
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