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Hugs out of Pune.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/6/15 5:04 PM, Anthony Lam wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for starting this dialog.<br>
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I share Stephen's point of view for the Firefox for Android
product/ standing point. <br>
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As I've said before, I am open to punting on Fira for the time
being as well (until later iterations/ updates). Keeping with
the two types we currently ship in our Reader Mode (Clear
Sans, & Charis SIL) would be fine until we can figure out
some of those things. Especially considering how big
localization and language support is for us. For me, that's
really the trade-off at the moment.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Stephen
Horlander <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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class="">> On Jan 29, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Benjamin
Smedberg <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:benjamin@smedbergs.us">benjamin@smedbergs.us</a>>
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> Is the UX team participating in this thread?<br>
><br>
> One of the claims here from the gecko font experts is
that Fira Sans will produce an inferior result for most
users, not just for some scripts. It feels like the UX
team and the font team need to understand this point in
particular before we start dealing with fallback
mechanisms.<br>
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</span>Here is my current understanding of the deficiencies
in Fira on Desktop:<br>
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1) Inferior support for localization vs. system fonts<br>
2) Is not as well hinted as system fonts (this mostly
affects Windows)<br>
3) Questionable value as a body/content font<br>
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Another point, which doesn't relate to quality or
legibility, is that using a font different than the system
font might appear incongruous in the context of application
UI. Not only because of surrounding applications but also
because it differs from what we display in our own chrome.<br>
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As far as I know Fira is a work in progress, so we could
improve support for other languages (indeed I think we would
have to if we keep expanding where we ship FxOS).<br>
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Appearance on different platforms may or may not be worse, I
haven't done a direct comparison on each. Again that is
something that could (should) be fixed.<br>
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As far as quality and readability; I think it is a nice
font. I do think the default tracking (letter-spacing) is
too wide and the word-spacing too tight, but we can tweak
that with CSS.<br>
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The rationale for using Fira for In-Content pages area was
to align the appearance of all of our web-like interfaces:
Firefox In-Content, FxOS and Mozilla web properties. This
would visually connect all of our products and give us more
control of the resulting appearance. I still think that is a
worthy goal as long as we don't cause regressions with
rendering and for localization.<br>
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I am not sure if it is worth the trade-off at the moment,
and if this is blocking work I would suggest we just punt on
Fira until someone can do the proper analysis.<br>
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