<div dir="ltr">For the record, invisible plugins are most definitely *not* a minority; in fact, I'd say that's the most common type I've seen, other than flash, quicktime, silverlight. A great many plugins are used to give functionality to the browser that it otherwise lacks and often this is functionality used by javascript, not new ways to display.<div>
<br></div><div>My experience with our users tells me that the disappearing doorhanger as shown in your mockup will not be seen by the vast majority of our users. I've experimented with having popup notifications in the corner of the screen and we had to go back to using persistent notifications because users simply do not see popups in parts of the screen that don't contain the content they are actively looking at.<br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I continue to advocate something like a top bar or some other form of persistent notification; something that *does not* go away by itself. Make sure there is a really easy way to say "don't show this again" for that plugin (not just the site, but the whole plugin -- that should solve the concern about it becoming annoying) and I don't see any reason that users would find it excessively annoying. Chrome does this for plugins that crash a lot and I've never found that annoying at all.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I'm really concerned by the fact that you are pushing so hard to "not annoy the users" but your solution comes at the expense of most users (in my experience) not even being aware that something was disabled. The only way this could ever make sense is if we start with the assumption that most plugins are not really needed, and that simply isn't the case in my experience.</div>
<div><br></div><div>- Richard</div><div>FireBreath Development</div><div>GradeCam Development</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Georg Fritzsche <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:georg.fritzsche@gmail.com" target="_blank">georg.fritzsche@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><div>On Aug 7, 2013, at 3:16 AM, Larissa Co <<a href="mailto:lco@mozilla.com" target="_blank">lco@mozilla.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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2. When plugins are invisible (no in-content UI), it's not obvious
to the user how to enable CtP<br>
- [already implemented by <a href="https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=888292" target="_blank">bug
888292</a>] Use an Active or Urgent colored icon for the
permission<br>
- Have the icon animate in (e.g. "flash") on page load<br>
- Have the doorhanger animate in on page load and then disappear
automatically after a few seconds</div></blockquote><br></div><div>For the disappearing doorhanger, when would that get used? On every page load would probably become annoying</div><div>if i don't want to activate it. It would probably still be annoying if it's just on the first page load for common plugins (e.g. </div>
<div>when i set Flash to "Ask to activate" in the addon manager).</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><div>Georg</div></font></span></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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