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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/20/2013 1:13 PM, Gavin Sharp
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 12:19 PM,
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<div class="gmail_quote">Yes, I know that this is
surprising to some people. Through talking to
various people (and yes this is anecdotal evidence),
some share this level of distraction by motion as I
have, and some other people don't have any idea what
I'm talking about! :-) So, can we please assume
that this is a problem for a subset of people for
the rest of this conversation?<br>
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<div>I haven't been assuming otherwise - _any_ change we
make is a problem for a subset of people :) The questions
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- how big is that subset?<br>
- is it bigger than the set of people benefiting from the
change? (subjective tradeoff alert!)<br>
- can we usefully mitigate the negative impact to that
subset?<br>
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I am concerned that this along with other changes fall into a "death
by a thousand cuts" category that pushes people that are currently
using Firefox away to another browser. For example, someone that is
used to seeing the findbar on the bottom or the recent search
changes that make the url bar and search use the same engine could
easily as I see it be enough for someone to give another browser a
try. I realize that managing this is an art in itself... just
pointing out that evaluating individual changes without taking into
account the sum of changes could easily become a "death by a
thousand cuts".<br>
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Robert<br>
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What kind of feedback are you looking for? I've
mostly stopped using the findbar completely. I
don't expect people who do not experience this
motion related issue to be annoyed by this change
much (at least, not beyond the "OMG change"
reaction.)<br>
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<div>Shipping to beta should be helpful in getting better
answers to the first couple of questions above, basically.<br>
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<div> My contention is that even with all of those
fixes uplifted, we'd not be in a shippable state.<br>
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<div>That's fine - regardless, we need to keep our buglists
in order. :)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">One thought experiment here
which might be helpful here is if somebody can write
an add-on to do something really distracting every
time that the findbar gets opened and closed (such
as, I don't know, blinking the entire content area
in red for three seconds?!) and then have people use
the findbar in their normal browsing. I don't think
that UX feedback without taking the downsides of the
current approach for people like me is going to help
much here, since without that in mind, there is no
problem to be solved here.<br>
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<div>I don't think that would be useful :) We (including the
UX people I asked for feedback) can take you at your word
when you say that this is "really distracting" to you.
(From my perspective, it's a little bit difficult to
empathize given the strong negative reaction you're
describing and the relative change I've personally
experienced, but hey, sometimes empathy is hard, and it's
kind of our job.) But we aren't going to base Firefox
design decisions solely on "how this impacts Ehsan", so we
need to focus on determining to what degree your negative
reactions are widespread across our (current and potential
future) user base, as well as try to weigh the pros/cons
of the other ways forward (the alternative design you've
suggested, other smaller tweaks, etc.).<br>
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