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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/1/2013 9:31 AM, Madhava Enros
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<div> <span style="font-size: 14px;">Hi all -</span> </div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">I'm new to this particular
issue, but I think there's some nuance here about the
differences.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">For the Bookmarks or History
Sidebars, they are secondary or tertiary UI for those
purposes. In other words, people already have other
more-likely-used ways to get at their bookmarks and history.
Having a dedicated button to open them seems like overkill,
given that we're providing logically-placed menu items to do
it.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">In the case of add-ons -- it
seems like a sidebar or toolbar, if one is added, is meant
to be the primary way to use it, making it more important.
It's also, given that the user has gone to the trouble of
installing a given add-on (not always the case, I know,
but…) likely to be important enough to the user that we can
make the case for placing a button.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">I think history also tells
us that add-ons will tend to show as much of their UI as
possible by default, so giving users a prominent way to
choose whether to show all of it seems worthwhile.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">Please tell me why I'm wrong
here. All of this said -- I don't see a huge downside to
including (but not showing by default) buttons for showing
some of these built-in UI pieces in Firefox's customization
pane. Also, it may give flexibility to add-ons authors to
put options to show/hide sidebars and toolbars in an
existing menu, or one created by the add-on -- it's just
that there won't always be a menu that is a sensible
location for items to do with all add-ons.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size: 14px;">Madhava</span></div>
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I'm with Madhava here. This is something we should impose on
/provide for add-ons but not for require bookmarks or history
sidebars (which get next to no usage, I'm betting.) In addition to
the most common use case points Madhava raised, I want to add that
we've got amazing usability resources at Mozilla, most add-on
authors have none. Asking them to adhere to some basic guidelines
while ourselves sometimes violating those guidelines seems totally
acceptable because we're considerably more likely to know when it's
correct to deviate and most add-on authors are not in the same
position.<br>
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- A<br>
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<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, August 1, 2013 at 12:13
PM, Dave Townsend wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">You're missing context here. For the add-on
SDK we've developed toolbar and sidebar APIs so add-ons
can easily create these things. UX have instructed us
that when an add-on adds a sidebar or toolbar we must
add a button to the navigation bar to toggle it on and
off. So it is surprising that we don't have the same
requirement on them for the rest of Firefox.<br>
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<div>On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Matthew N. <span
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> From: "Marco Bonardo" <<a
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> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 1:43:37 AM<br>
> Subject: Re: Australis Toolbar and Sidebar
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<div>> On 01/08/2013 03:33, Erik Vold wrote:<br>
> > How about for toolbars? I don't see a
toggle button for the<br>
> > bookmarks toolbar nor do I see a bug
for this.<br>
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> Open the bookmarks widget menu, go to
Bookmarks Toolbar submenu,<br>
> toggle!<br>
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The bookmark toolbar toggle is also still in the
toolbar context menu.<br>
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