<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>On Jul 4, 2013, at 12:46 PM, Axel Hecht wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 7/3/13 11:04 PM, Justin Dolske wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 7/3/13 1:20 PM, Axel Hecht wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This is a major misconception on what string freeze is.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">String freeze is not per channel, but per release. Firefox 25 string<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">freezes, and then migrates to aurora.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Major l10n-impact landings as part of migration are not OK.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">I don't think there's any shared understanding of that at all. It's<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">certainly news to me. You're effectively asking people to not change<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">strings on m-c more than once a cycle, and that's never been a policy.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If localizers are working off m-c, they should be doing so that things<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">can and will change throughout the cycle. It's no different than add-on<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">authors tracking API changes.<br></blockquote><br>This is not what I said. I do think that our code should be good to ship, though, or landed behind flags.<br><br>Your proposal to crash land a backout on merge day is concerning to me, as is your lack of engagement to mitigate that risk.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>"Crash land" is usually polemic language we use when we want to make someone seem irrational. How about if he "carefully, with weeks of pre-notice, intends to back out at a predictable time at the end of the 25 cycle," instead? I confess that I am also confused on the concern, here. As far as I can tell, the order of events in a month's time will be:</div><div><br></div><div>a) Rel-Mgmt announces merge-day festivities beginning</div><div>b) FF25 migrates to m-aurora</div><div>c) seconds later, m-aurora experiences an "Australis is not ready for primetime" backout (m-c is not similarly backed out)</div><div>d) Rel-mgmt announces merge-day festivities end</div><div>e) FF25 is string frozen, and on Aurora</div><div><br></div><div>Keeping the old strings around during the 25 cycle, per flod's suggestion, sounds like it will make life easier for localizers who track m-c (and bless them!) so I'm happy that there's agreement on doing that piece. What's the remainder of the concern?</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">l10n aside, I think this is one of those landings that would carry less<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">risk if it was just addition of code, and the old code was behind a<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">channel-specific flag.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">This simply isn't practical for the scale and scope of Australis' changes.</blockquote><br>Yikes. I said it. Yikes. Not for l10n, but for the product.<br></div></blockquote><br></div>I'm afraid I don't understand this part, either?<div><br></div><div>J</div><div><br><div>
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