<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>>Allowing users to shoot themselves in the foot and then prompting them<br>
to undo it is really not a great experience - no one likes being<br>
prompted/notified when they're otherwise just trying to get something<br>
done. We're not going to be removing as many customization points in<br>
the new proposal, which I hope will address most of your concerns, but<br>
for the few limitations that will be put in place, just adding a<br>
prompt will not be a suitable alternative.<br><br></div>I vehemently disagree. Under my proposal, the only time anyone is annoyed is the first time a power users wants to move some buttons around. If an average user <br>
</div>accidentally moves something essential, they are *saved* from shooting themselves in the foot! Under your proposal, normal users are again, not annoyed - assuming they don't want to move anything around. Power users are now seething because they have to head off to AMO to download addons to remove lost functionality.<br>
<br></div>It may not be 'elegant', but my solution solves the problem, provides minimum irritant (and only to power users), and most importantly does not sacrifice any functionality in the process.<br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 at 12:11 AM, <span dir="ltr"><</span><span dir="ltr"><a href="mailto:gavin@gavinsharp.com">gavin@gavinsharp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>>"why not just add some alerts/notifications to allow undoing 'bad'<br>
>customizations?"<br>
><br>
>Allowing users to shoot themselves in the foot and then prompting them<br>
>to undo it is really not a great experience - no one likes being<br>
>prompted/notified when they're otherwise just trying to get something<br>
>done. We're not going to be removing as many customization points in<br>
>the new proposal, which I hope will address most of your concerns, but<br>
>for the few limitations that will be put in place, just adding a<br>
>prompt will not be a suitable alternative.<br>
><br>
>Gavin<br>
><br>>On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Wadhah <<a href="mailto:brahmiwadhah1@gmail.com">brahmiwadhah1@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> Why not have ALL the customization, but when detecting the disappearance of<br>
>> some parts there would be a popup/button/notification to restore the missing<br>>> essential stuff?<br>>> I think it will make it easier to code and maintain , and service everyone.<br>>><br>>><br>
>>> On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 9:41 AM, <a href="mailto:sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk">sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk</a><br>>>> <<a href="mailto:sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk">sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>> I think the problem is that the customisable area is so much smaller in<br>>>> Australis than it has ever been previously. So many buttons are locked in<br>>>> place and unmovable and what's left is a tiny area for users to rearrange<br>
>>> things. If we're being honest, that's not customisation.<br>>>><br>>>> Could I propose that rather than lock items such as Back/Forward/Awesome<br>>>> Bar/Reload in place. You simply lock them so they're unremovable from the<br>
>>> navigation bar. You retain the logic whereby users can separate/have them<br>>>> interrupted (in terms of order/placement) and but for the menu button, users<br>>>> can truly customise the Navigation bar while users that need saving from<br>
>>> themselves are prevented from being able to remove key features from the<br>>>> primary UI.<br>>>> ______________________________<br>__<br>>>> From: Madhava Enros <<a href="mailto:madhava@mozilla.com">madhava@mozilla.com</a>><br>
>>> To: "<a href="mailto:sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk">sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk</a>" <<a href="mailto:sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk">sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk</a>><br>>>> Cc: "<a href="mailto:firefox-dev@mozilla.org">firefox-dev@mozilla.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:firefox-dev@mozilla.org">firefox-dev@mozilla.org</a>><br>
>>> Sent: Thursday, 18 April 2013, 19:55<br>>>> Subject: Re: Australis Customization<br>>>><br>>>> Hi all -<br>>>><br>>>> In case there's confusion here -- there's no intent or current action here<br>
>>> to take away people's ability to move and place buttons. In fact ( and this<br>>>> is why I'm a bit confused here) a huge part of the whole *point* of the<br>>>> Australis customization mode is to make it easier to move add and remove<br>
>>> buttons, and to make this ability hugely more discoverable than it's been<br>>>> before (i.e. a "Customize" item right in the main menu rather than a<br>>>> difficult to find right click on the toolbar).<br>
>><br>>>> The only restriction that we've been proposing is to make it impossible to<br>>>> remove the cluster of back button / url bar from the toolbar, given that,<br>>>> without them, the browser becomes very hard to use. The rationale here is<br>
>>> that with easier to access customizability, we're going to encounter people<br>>>> doing some of it by accident, and we'd like to make it harder for people who<br>>>> don't understand what they're doing to shoot themselves in the foot.<br>
>>><br>>>> Does that clarify things at all? Or have I missed something?<br>>>><br>>>> Madhava<br>>>><br>>>> --<br>>>> Madhava Enros<br>>>> Firefox User Experience<br>
>>> <a href="http://mozilla.org/firefox">mozilla.org/firefox</a><br>>>><br>>>> On Thursday, April 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM, <a href="mailto:sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk">sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk</a> wrote:<br>
>>><br>>>> Is there research data available to demonstrate that there are more users<br>>>> who "render their browsers un-usable with their customizations" than there<br>>>> are users who customise their browser's UI (move buttons, etc) and retain<br>
>>> usability?<br>>><br>>>> While I'm genuinely generally excited about Australis, removing the<br>>>> ability to move buttons is deeply confusing to me. I'm all for the most of<br>
>>> the changes, but I implore Mozilla to retain the ability to move and place<br>>>> buttons freely.<br>>>> _______________________________________________<br>>>> firefox-dev mailing list<br>
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