<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt">I think the problem is that the customisable area is so much smaller in Australis than it has ever been previously. So many buttons are locked in place and unmovable and what's left is a tiny area for users to rearrange things. If we're being honest, that's not customisation.<br><br>Could I propose that rather than lock items such as Back/Forward/Awesome Bar/Reload in place. You simply lock them so they're unremovable from the navigation bar. You retain the logic whereby users can separate/have them interrupted (in terms of order/placement) and but for the menu button, users can truly customise the Navigation bar while users that need saving from themselves are prevented from being able to remove key features from the primary UI.<br> <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times
new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Madhava Enros <madhava@mozilla.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> "sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk" <sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> "firefox-dev@mozilla.org" <firefox-dev@mozilla.org> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 18 April 2013, 19:55<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: Australis Customization<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv1068481811">
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<span style="font-size:14px;">Hi all -</span>
</div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">In case there's confusion here -- there's no intent or current action here to take away people's ability to move and place buttons. In fact ( and this is why I'm a bit confused here) a huge part of the whole *point* of the Australis customization mode is to make it easier to move add and remove buttons, and to make this ability hugely more discoverable than it's been before (i.e. a "Customize" item right in the main menu rather than a difficult to find right click on the toolbar).</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">The only restriction that we've been proposing is to make it impossible to remove the cluster of back button / url bar from the toolbar, given that, without them, the browser becomes very hard to use. The rationale here is that with easier to access customizability, we're
going to encounter people doing some of it by accident, and we'd like to make it harder for people who don't understand what they're doing to shoot themselves in the foot.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Does that clarify things at all? Or have I missed something?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px;">Madhava</span></div>
<div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Madhava Enros</div><div>Firefox User Experience</div><div>mozilla.org/firefox</div><div><br></div></div>
<div style="color:#A0A0A8;">On Thursday, April 18, 2013 at 2:35 PM, sabret00the@yahoo.co.uk wrote:</div>
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<span><div><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><div>Is there research data available to demonstrate that there are more
users who "render their browsers un-usable with their customizations"
than there are users who customise their browser's UI (move buttons,
etc) and retain usability?</div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-size:16px;font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;background-color:transparent;font-style:normal;"><br>
</div><div>While I'm genuinely generally excited about Australis, removing the ability to
move buttons is deeply confusing to me. I'm all for the most of the
changes, but I implore Mozilla to retain the ability to move and place
buttons freely.</div></div></div><div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>firefox-dev mailing list</div><div><a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:firefox-dev@mozilla.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:firefox-dev@mozilla.org">firefox-dev@mozilla.org</a></div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev">https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/firefox-dev</a></div></div></div></span>
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