Getting rid of popup windows for good

Gijs Kruitbosch gijskruitbosch at
Mon Aug 25 21:45:15 UTC 2014

On 25/08/2014 22:37, Jared Wein wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gijs Kruitbosch" <gijskruitbosch at>
>> You're using a different web from me, and many other users, clearly.
> I think it is wrong to say "and many other users, clearly". Your observations can only represent, well, your observations. Many people use the internet differently and have visit many different sites.
This was exactly my point. I must have overdone it, because you are not 
the first to call me out here. So let me make myself explicit: I'm not 
against fixing bad popups - by all means! But I think that "your 
experience is not universal" goes for the OP as much as for me - and so 
we should proceed with caution if we want to change defaults (which is 
what the OP proposed).

In particular, I think the stereotypical non-technical users 
(evergreens, your (grand)parents, what have you) will not deal well with 
an off-by-default system as suggested by the OP. ("In browser X, if I 
click the button on site Y, it just works - why does it break in 
Firefox?") In other words, I have less faith in that infobar, and/or 
think that the false positive ratio will be so high that it will become 
annoying - more annoying for more users than the popups/popunders are 
now. That last part brings us full circle: without data, it's impossible 
to tell, and we're all (literally everyone in this thread) just 
extrapolating from our own experiences.

~ Gijs

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