Removal of "Enable JavaScript" and "Load images automatically" in Firefox 23

C B cb736 at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 16 17:15:58 UTC 2013


Hi
Actually, all that the article checkboxes-kill does is identify some poorly written websites that are not very well written for user accessibility. I am not sure that Gavin is even aware of what the checkbox to not load images and javascript even look like. "people can end up checking it accidentally, which makes their browser be not useful". No, the check boxes are checked by default, which loads images, and allows javascript. They have to be unchecked to prevent images from loading and from allowing javascript. Perhaps that was just a case of not being careful with language, as was the choice to remove the options not being careful to respect users needs.

We do not uncheck the box to load images to make the browser unuseful, we uncheck it to do something useful for us, such as see what the alt tags are for the image, and to see what the website looks like for someone who does not have a browser that supports images, or is blind.

Yahoo has recently changed their e-mail UI to make it look more like gmail, and it has rendered it unusable to me unless I turn off javascript, which I did to send this e-mail. When you turn off javascript (you can try this for yourself with FF22 for example), it gives you a link to click on to be able to access a non-javascript website, which is what every developer should do who engages in stupid web tricks that use javascript.

I thoroughly agree with the comments that users are not idiots. If they do uncheck everything and want to repair everything, the standard procedure is to simply reload the browser, which will restore image loading and javascript.

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Christopher Booth

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On Thu, 8/15/13, Gavin Sharp <gavin at gavinsharp.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: Removal of "Enable JavaScript" and "Load images automatically" in Firefox 23
 To: "Dão Gottwald" <dao at design-noir.de>
 Cc: "Firefox Dev" <firefox-dev at mozilla.org>
 Date: Thursday, August 15, 2013, 4:36 PM
 
 On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 2:12 AM, Dão
 Gottwald <dao at design-noir.de>
 wrote:
 > It's based on pretty simple ideas we should be able to
 agree upon:
 > - some users have to deal with connections that are
 limited enough that our
 > default behavior is barely workable
 
 I don't think this use case is common enough, and I don't
 think our
 checkboxes are useful/discoverable enough to address it
 properly.
 There are plenty of other edge use cases we could enumerate
 that we
 don't currently address, and whose cases would be similar to
 the one
 you make here. The only difference here is that this
 represents a
 removal rather than a proposed addition. There should be a
 higher
 burden for removing something than for not adding it, given
 the user
 impact, but we can't have that burden be so high that we can
 never
 remove things.
 
 > That's not how I read http://limi.net/checkboxes-kill nor
 > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=851701#c0.
 
 I'm telling you my reasoning for supporting the change,
 which might be
 different than people's reasons for suggesting it.
 
 Gavin
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