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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi Nebojša,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Some comments follow. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“</span>Use Unicode identifier vs. BCP47 in the API<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>” It isn’t clear what you mean by this. I would strongly prefer that we use BCP 47 identifiers. If you mean “allow the Unicode locales extension to BCP 47”, I’m fine, but I don’t see why we would want to use the older LDML identifiers at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>For Collator, I’d like an option “ignoreSpaces”. I know that the default implementation of ICU’s collator ignores spaces, but I have a number of real-world cases in which I want the opposite behavior (in which I tailor my collator using rules).<br><br>Particularly important to me is the sorting of book titles. If I have two strings: “The New Fishing Bible” and “The Newer Fishing Bible”, I want to sort them in the order given, but most collators ignore spaces (comparing the second ‘e’ in Newer to the ‘F’ in Fishing). So I want the option of making whitespace meaningful for collation. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:6.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Since most implementations are similar to ICU, though, maybe this would be the one “strange” option (“compareWhitespace”???)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“</span>Start with ICU patterns and see if they work for everybody” <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I support establishing the pattern language early on. I need to be able to use Message, Choice, and Plural formatters and it’s all too common to need to specify particular patterns in those cases (for substitutions), not to mention direct usage in number and date formatters. The symbols used by ICU/CLDR are common enough and, if incomplete for a given implementers needs (Microsoft?), could be appropriately extended. Since these symbols are also used by Java, PHP, and some other languages, it would be unsurprising to use them in ECMAScript.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-top:6.0pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       </span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=LTR></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“</span>Allow short/long dateType to get value from the system or cloud”<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> I’m not sure I understand this one. Was this the part of the conversation in which we allowed the pattern to be garnered either from the system (e.g. the Regional Options control panel on Windows) or from the implementation??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Addison<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Addison Phillips<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Globalization Architect</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (Lab126)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chair (W3C I18N WG)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Internationalization is not a feature.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is an architecture.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Nebojša Ćirić [mailto:cira@google.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 21, 2011 5:29 PM<br><b>To:</b> es-discuss@mozilla.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Summary of i18n ad hoc group meeting - 21st March 2011<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Started implementation of collator in Chrome and hit a problem:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>var coll = locale.collator();<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>array.sort(coll.compare);<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Compare method gets bound to the undefined or global object at the call site. Erik mentioned that this problem will be solved in Harmony by passing additional "this" parameter to for-each and likes. We would like to propose extending this syntax to the sort method too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>We discussed each part of the API in order to get detailed parameters of each constructor and method.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>General:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Add options property to each class that would give you actual value for the user parameters. For example, if user asked for islamic calendar, and we only have islamic-civil, we set calendar property to islamic-civil. Allows developer to iterate until satisfied with the result.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1'>Use Unicode identifier vs. BCP47 in the API<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Collator:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>numeric - specifies numeric sort (9 comes before 12)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>ignoreVariants - ignore all of case, width and kana<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>ignoreWidth, ignoreCase and ignoreKana - subvariants we may implement to fine tune the behavior<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>ignoreAccents - ignore accents<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>ignoreSymbols - ignore punctuation and symbols<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo2'>variant - phonebook, ... - string<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>NumberFormat:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>Allow patterns to specify grouping, currency symbol position and sign location<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>Start with ICU patterns and see if they work for everybody<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>Don't support overrides for grouping separator and decimal point for now<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>Specify both currencySymbol and currencyCode as override<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal>DateTimeFormatSymbols:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4'>Added Era and day period methods (AM/PM)<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4'>Moved all methods to DateTimeFormat class<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo4'>Remove DTFSymbols class<o:p></o:p></li></ul><div><p class=MsoNormal>DateTimeFormat:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><ul type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'>Specify calendar names better (move work to Unicode/LDML and point to their document). <o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'>Allow short/long dateType to get value from the system or cloud.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5'>.options[skeleton] should contain best match for the given skeleton<o:p></o:p></li></ul></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>Nebojša Ćirić<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>