javascript vision thing

Michael J. Ryan tracker1 at
Sat Sep 22 07:42:13 UTC 2018

Considering how many js devs fail to answer "what values evaluate to false
in JavaScript". It isn't the new features that are the problem.

There's a combination of problems.  People believing they're better
developers than they are.  People who look down on js and front end
development.  And those ahead to learn new things.

JS isn't really evolving any more than Java, C#, go, python and others as a
whole in the past 20 years.  And having to fight uphill to use newer
features is a pain.  I'm not on the younger side of this (I'm 42)... But
I've managed to keep up.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 17:14 kai zhu <kaizhu256 at> wrote:

> a problem i've observed in industry is that many es6 language-features
> have the unintended-consequence of incentivising incompetent
> javascript-developers at the expense of competent-ones.  its generally
> difficult for many employers (even those knowledgeable in general-purpose
> programming), to discern between:
> a) a competent javascript employee/contractor who can get things done and
> ship products (albeit with legitimate delays), and
> b) an incompetent-one who can easily hide themselves in non-productive es6
> busywork, and continually pushback product-integration (again with
> “legitimate” delays, until its too late).
> its gotten bad enough that many industry-employers no longer trust
> general-purpose-programming technical-interviews when recruiting js-devs,
> and rely almost exclusively on either a) an applicant's reputation /
> word-of-mouth for getting things done, or b) their ability to complete a
> time-consuming tech-challenge, where they must demonstrate ability to ship
> a mini-product.  both methods are not scalable to meet the demand in
> industry for qualified js-devs in product-development.
> the only solution i can think of to this industry-problem is to hold-back
> on introducing new disruptive/unproven javascript design-patterns, and
> figuring out how to educate the industry with tightened javascript
> style-guides and existing design-patterns proven to work (more is less);
> generally, ways to enhance the current, woefully inadequate “bullsh*t
> detector” of employers so they can better identify and
> mentor/train/weed-out unqualified js-devs.
> kai zhu
> kaizhu256 at
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