How many ES5 environments are still in use today?

[Peter Hoddie]

> Hardware makers should consider that < 256 MB (and I’m conservative) of RAM are nothing nowadays.

Very funny.

And perhaps true, if you choose to ignore microcontrollers.

But I don't understand why you would choose to do that when many microcontrollers have the power to run modern JavaScript (ECMAScript 2018 specification) so well.

-- Peter

> On Jun 26, 2018, at 1:46 PM, doodad-js Admin <doodadjs at gmail.com <mailto:doodadjs at gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Hardware makers should consider that < 256 MB (and I’m conservative) of RAM are nothing nowadays. And for ROM/Flash memory where code resides, <= 1 MB is really but really nothing and that’s a joke, and worst if you are using a >= 64 bits CPU.
>  
> Just my 2 cents.
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> From: Isiah Meadows <isiahmeadows at gmail.com <mailto:isiahmeadows at gmail.com>> 
> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 5:37 AM
> To: Andrea Giammarchi <andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com <mailto:andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com>>
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> Subject: Re: Re: How many ES5 environments are still in use today?
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> WRT Duktape, I'm not exactly seeing broad ES6 support (ES7+ isn't much better): https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/#duktape2_2 <https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/#duktape2_2>
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> There's a few others with very bad ES6+ support that are still in broad use:
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> - Getting older businesses and organizations (like colleges) to transition away from IE is still a giant work in progress - Windows 7 and 8 (still supported) don't have Edge to shove it in their face, and many IT departments have their hands tied with bureaucracy.
> - Nashorn has only modest support for ES6, but it targets an audience that doesn't use JS for anything heavy. (To be quite honest, giving them ES6 might *encourage* them to write worse code.)
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> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 4:17 AM, Andrea Giammarchi <andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com <mailto:andrea.giammarchi at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> At JSConfEU they gave all participants a neonious:
>> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/neonious-one-javascript-es6-ts-board-with-low-js-computers-animation#/ <https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/neonious-one-javascript-es6-ts-board-with-low-js-computers-animation#/>
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>> it has ES6 and it runs on similar ESP32 HW the Espruino runs too.
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>> I don't think there's any particular issue in bringing ES6 there, but maybe not the whole thing works.
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>> duktape also seems there with most features: http://duktape.org <http://duktape.org/>
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>> Accordingly, I don't understand why anyone would be stuck at ES5 these days.
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>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 5:34 AM Isiah Meadows <isiahmeadows at gmail.com <mailto:isiahmeadows at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> There's also JerryScript, which given their target platform, there's *no* way they're going to be able to reliably implement much of ES6. They target platforms like microcontrollers with less than 100KB of RAM and only a few hundred in flash memory. One of their automated test devices really pushes against it with its 192KB memory and 1MB flash memory. [2] (Their Raspberry Pi is like a supercomputer compared to the other two.)
>>>  
>>> Also, BTW, Rhino is at least *attempting* to implement some ES6+ features. [3] [4]
>>>  
>>> [1]: http://jerryscript.net/ <http://jerryscript.net/>
>>> [2]: https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/stm32f4discovery.pdf <https://www.st.com/resource/en/data_brief/stm32f4discovery.pdf>
>>> [3]: https://mozilla.github.io/rhino/compat/engines.html <https://mozilla.github.io/rhino/compat/engines.html>
>>> [4]: https://github.com/mozilla/rhino/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES.md <https://github.com/mozilla/rhino/blob/master/RELEASE-NOTES.md>
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>>> On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 1:34 AM, N. Oxer <blueshuk2 at gmail.com <mailto:blueshuk2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> Nobody's mentioned this yet, but Rhino is still in use in Google Apps Script, which means anything related to G suite and scripting (e.g. google sheets macros, google forms scripts) is also stuck at es3-5.
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