javascript vision thing

Jordan Harband ljharb at
Thu Nov 2 04:23:58 UTC 2017

I'm really not sure what "civil war" you're referring to; nor do I agree
that JavaScript is any more hated than anything else.

Plain objects don't come with JSON representations "baked in" because
functions, undefined, regexes, dates, etc all don't serialize.

Frontend development is not "alienated"; in fact, the additions made in ES6
are widely loved overall (even though there are, as with anything,
scattered complaints).

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:43 PM, kai zhu <kaizhu256 at> wrote:

> any thoughts? i'll break the ice with a quora question i recently answered
> quora question:
> > Why is JavaScript so hated?
> answer posted:
> >the primary reason is because traditional oop skills gained from
> c#/c++/java/python/etc translate poorly to javascript.
> >
> >in javascript, class-instantiated objects are inferior to plain-objects,
> because plain-objects come with JSON.stringify/JSON.parse baked-in, while
> classes require needless extra serialization/deserialization routines which
> can easily double your codebase or more (as real-world javascript-code is
> heavily i/o based). i would say many people burn-out from
> frontend-programming because they can’t cope with debugging all the i/o
> edge-cases serializing/deserializing their custom classes.
> >
> >javascript and frontend-programming is essentially about efficiently
> managing the program-state like a baton, constantly passing it
> back-and-forth between the browser’s ui and various backend-servers /
> persistent-storage. plain json-objects utilizing idiot-proof
> JSON.stringify/JSON.parse, are naturally better at this baton-passing
> business than writing classes with custom serializers.
> there's currently a civil war going on in frontend-development,
> between those who don't want to deal with writing extra class-based
> serializers/deserializers and those who do.  these 2 different design
> patterns have incompatible styleguides that often break web-projects
> when people try to mix-and-match both together.  i don't have a simple
> solution to this issue, but tc39 should be made aware of it as they
> try to formulate a javascript vision that doesn't alienate
> frontend-development.
> -kai
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