Tracking proposals should be standardized with issues

Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammarchi at
Wed May 11 23:02:25 UTC 2016

I understand, and mostly agree, with Isiah's concerns but, about this:

> The higher barrier of entry helps filter most of that out other than here
in the mailing list...

I haven't seen many proposals actually born in the ML, I've rather seen
tons of proposals discussed offline and/or suddenly part of some

I've also seen that most accepted proposals are from people that comes from
"considered more relevant" companies, with few exceptions that came out of
Rick's or Yehuda's effort.

The "filter" idea is absolutely a valid concern but I wish there was more
effort in considering the "daily-community" too (those GitHub reactions
might be worth something, after all)

Best Regards

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 12:08 AM, Isiah Meadows <isiahmeadows at>

> Here's my concerns:
> 1. People are going to blow up the issues they like, instead of either
> creating issues in those related repos or finding more appropriate channels
> for them.
> 2. People are going to start filling issues for whatever proposal they
> came up with, without really deliberating over it, and without bringing it
> up on es-discuss at all. This will lead to way more to sift through than
> what should be necessary.
> 3. Making proposals as simple as creating an issue (at least from the
> casual observer's perspective) will lead into a lot of "this is a good
> idea" strawmen of likely very low quality. The higher barrier of entry
> helps filter most of that out other than here in the mailing list.
> On Wed, May 11, 2016, 17:58 Brandon Andrews <warcraftthreeft at>
> wrote:
>> For those not aware of the "currently compiled list" he's referring to
>> this It has no clear history other than
>> viewing the change log.
>> I agree. Ideally every link on that page should link to an issue that
>> tracks the information. This would allow for much cleaner archival of
>> proposals. People just need to be clear that each proposal issue is for
>> status purposes only. The issue for each proposal could contain a link to
>> the proposal's github repo where the mailing list and issues could be found.
>> > It would also be worthwhile to organize more general design ideas into
>> issues that could be referenced by specific proposals.
>> The thinking right now seems to be that people creating proposals should
>> reference mailing list discussions directly. Creating issues would just
>> mean people would be referencing an issue which then references mailing
>> list threads. I do see the the usefulness though. Currently there are
>> probably over 10 threads for null coalescing operators under multiple
>> names. The mailing list has no method for marking duplicates so the posts
>> generally just reference each other. I posted about this months ago, but I
>> don't think there's any interest in simplifying this.
>> In theory under the current system you should create a proposal then get
>> it to stage 0 then everyone would reference the proposal which would then
>> reference the full list of discussions. That is general design ideas really
>> just need a stage 0 proposal.
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