classes and enumerability

Andrea Giammarchi andrea.giammarchi at
Fri Jan 30 17:23:01 PST 2015

I didn't mean to disrespect anybody work here, I am just personally a bit
tired of TC39 decisions that, after being already made and widely discussed
in the same thread, are complained/disregarded regardless everyone agreed
already on an official meeting.

I am not TC39 and not even close to WHATWG and didn't know there was an
effort to make `new HTMLDivElement` and all other constructors possible,
but I am also one that created the widely adoptable/backward compatible
polyfill for Custom Elements specifications and its
`document.registerElement` and haven't seen anything even close to that
"extendability" from the DOM world in JS published these years so ... yeah,
I might have misunderstood that having better classes in JS was seen as a
bad thing from WebIDL prospective and, accordingly, I've (over)reacted as
developer that does things daily to live and cannot work behind a "we are
trying to align" future promise: I kinda need things to be the right way
today or ASAP, and I'd be surely happy if tomorrow these will be even

Do we agree this class decision was a good one? Perfect, then let's move on
to another thread and discuss how things could be better from "both worlds"
point of view in the future.

Best Regards

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 7:02 PM, Brendan Eich <brendan at> wrote:

> Brendan Eich wrote:
>> Please drop the crappy "us" vs. "them" talk. If you read this thread, and
>> others on, you can see "TC39" did not "keep ignoring
>> feedback". Yeesh!
> In case it is not clear: Andrea is not on TC39, not "us" or "them" in your
> dichotomy, and while I agree he disregarded (if not disrespected) ongoing
> work to make new HTMLDivElement work -- and that wasn't cool of him -- that
> has zip to do with this decision, or with "TC39".
> /be
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