Does async/await solve a real problem?

Kevin Smith zenparsing at gmail.com
Thu Sep 11 06:05:21 PDT 2014


Also, see https://github.com/lukehoban/ecmascript-asyncawait/issues/14 for
previous discussion.

On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Domenic Denicola <
domenic at domenicdenicola.com> wrote:

> There are several problems solved by async/await instead of twisting
> generators:
>
> 1. What if you wanted to use generators for lazy sequences (iterables),
> instead of asynchronicity? If your framework assumes all generators are for
> async, you lose the original use case of generators.
>
> 2. Say what you mean. `function*` and `yield` mean something very
> different from `async function` and `await`, similar to how
> `Subclass.prototype = Object.create(Superclass.prototype);
> Subclass.prototype.constructor = Subclass` is different from `class
> Subclass extends Superclass`.
>
> 3. Operator precedence. You can do `await a + await b` to mean `(await a)
> + (await b)`, but `yield a + yield b` means `yield (a + (yield b))`.
>
> 4. Ability to produce promise-returning functions without buying into a
> specific framework that interprets generators in a certain way. E.g., you
> could use `async function f() { return 5; }` to return a promise for 5,
> which people can consume with `f().then(v => ...)`. If you try to do
> `function* f() { return 5; }` you will get an iterable, which is not
> understood to be asynchronous. (Hopefully my use of `return 5` for brevity
> instead of more complex code does not confuse this point for you.)
>
> As for stack traces, long stack trace support is a debugging feature, and
> the fact that `yield*` gets them right now doesn't mean that `await` won't
> get them in the future.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: es-discuss [mailto:es-discuss-bounces at mozilla.org] On Behalf Of
> Jeswin Kumar
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2014 11:46
> To: es-discuss at mozilla.org
> Subject: Does async/await solve a real problem?
>
> Looking at my project (in which asynchronous calls are entirely done via
> generators), I can't see how async/await would simplify code for end-users
> like me (application programmers).
>
> End users write the spawn()/Q.async()/co() wrapper *at most* one single
> time in an application:
> 1. When using a framework like say koajs, you don't have to write it even
> once.
> 2. While not using a framework, you'd have to use the wrapper one single
> time in say, the main.js file.
>
> To use the example at
> http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:async_functions
>
> async function chainAnimationsAsync(elem, animations) { CODE; } is just
> function chainAnimationsAsync*(elem, animations) { same CODE; } when flow
> control is done by a framework or at the entry point to your application.
> spawn() isn't needed.
>
> I can't see how this will reduce application's code even a little. So my
> question is, is async/await needed?
>
>
> One more question
> --------------------------
> 1. yield is practically very difficult to use in a project because you
> don't get proper stack traces (at least with the current flow control
> libraries). You'd only see the last call which threw the error, and then
> functions from the flow control library immediately below that. I suppose
> the generators leading up to the erring generator are all suspended and
> wouldn't be on the stack frame chain.
>
> 2. yield* generator delegation solves this problem, you get real stack
> traces. I was able to get full stack traces simply by replacing all yield
> X() with yield* X()
>
> example code as in: https://github.com/chopachom/syncio
>
> So if there are valid use-cases for adding async/await to JS, shouldn't it
> be based on how yield* works rather than yield?
>
> -- Jes
>
> The Fora Project is coming...
> https://github.com/jeswin/fora
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